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Bulls fire Vinny Del Negro

Yep I saw that. That is terrible, what was the poor guy suppose to do win a championship with this team? I hope he gets a great opportunity some place else. I really liked Vinny, and thought he was a classy guy and was becoming a better coach all the time. Too bad.

Thanks to Vinny for what he did in Chicago, some of us Bulls fans appreciate it! I can't wait for more on Paxson and this fight to come out.
 
tornado said:
Calipari to the Bulls?
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I saw that rumor floating around last night on the internet, being he was Rose's coach. He will probably take the job right before we find out Kentucky is being stripped of all their wins and achievements the last season for violations.

Oh Please no to him! I don't know how I could root for the Bulls after what they did to Vinny, plus have to deal with Calipari being the coach? I mean I will always be a bulls fan, but wow having that guy be the coach would make it difficult for me to want him to have success.
 
BUfan14 said:
Yep I saw that. That is terrible, what was the poor guy suppose to do win a championship with this team? I hope he gets a great opportunity some place else. I really liked Vinny, and thought he was a classy guy and was becoming a better coach all the time. Too bad.

Thanks to Vinny for what he did in Chicago, some of us Bulls fans appreciate it! I can't wait for more on Paxson and this fight to come out.
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Get serious. The guy didn't win, period. That team had the talent to be much better than an 8th seed and sacrificial lamb to the Cavs...

They went the cheap route instead of the proven route and this is what they got...

Now if they can just get Phil back and land Lebron..
 
JMM28 said:
Get serious. The guy didn't win, period. That team had the talent to be much better than an 8th seed and sacrificial lamb to the Cavs...

They went the cheap route instead of the proven route and this is what they got...

Now if they can just get Phil back and land Lebron..
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Really who besides a second year 21 year old player do they have that with all the injuries they should have done so much better in your eyes?

-They have no inside post presence on offense, they have no 3 point shooters. They had absolutely no depth at all, because they traded and got rid of guys for next year's cap space.
-He developed Gibson, Noah, and Rose very well in his 2 years there.
-He made the backcourt of Hinrich and Rose work. I mean Kirk has had to play out of position for 2 years.
-Defense and rebounding improved a ton this past season.
-They had injuries to no end this year otherwise they probably would have won almost 50 games.
-They lost their best shooter in Ben Gordon this offseason.
-He handled all the pressure and distractions will class and kept his team focused. He kept working as hard as he could the whole time and was constantly improving as a coach. This is despite the organization treating him like dirt for 2 years, and never backing him. Throw the Paxson incident on top of this.
-The players liked him, even Lebron talked about how prepared they were.

You combine that all to go 41-41 and still make the playoffs? I consider that a good job.

Nobody is saying he is the greatest coach ever, but he was a first time head coach who was improving and getting better. It is a terrible PR move, Dwade even stated the fight started by Paxson is a bad thing for free agents looking there.

And who is bettter? Doug Collins? Hasn't been out of the first round in forever. Who? Please don't say you want that cheater Calipari. None of the names on the Bulls list jump out at me as, yes this guy is much better than Vinny. Lawrence Frank? Byron Scott? The Bulls handled themselves with no class through this whole thing, and that is what I hate most.
 
Knowing the way JR operates, just from observing over the years - watching the White Sox and Bulls. He's been a great owner IMO. He will hire a former Bull to be coach... just like he hired Ozzie and several assistant coaches for the Sox.. and he hired Paxson as GM for the Bulls. Like him or not, he's loyal to his former players and that's a good trait. He likes what he is familiar with, so look for someone that played for the Bulls or was a prior assistant coach that he knows. It's good money, so I'm sure a former player would jump in.
 
BUfan14 said:
And who is bettter? Doug Collins? Hasn't been out of the first round in forever. Who? Please don't say you want that cheater Calipari. None of the names on the Bulls list jump out at me, as yes this guy is much better than Vinny. Lawrence Frank? Byron Scott? The Bulls handled themselves with no class through this whole thing, and that is what I hate most.
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I do agree that the initial replacement reports are less than thrilling. Unless they say "Mr. James/Wade/Bosh, pick your next head coach", i will not be happy with any of the retreads.

I do not agree that he was handed a talentless/injured roster in a very top heavy eastern conference. I am not sure who they traded away besides Salmons to clear cap space? The Ty Thomas experiment wasn't working for anyone..another bad attitude from LSU...

I have a hard time believing that the Paxson-Del Negro fight was all Paxson's doing. Later reports said that Del negro was the aggressor and had done similar things before. Not ready to throw Johnny Pax under the bus for a 2 and done head coach. I will throw him under the bus for the bogus contract of Deng, the drafting of Thomas, and such.

Like it or not, not signing Ben Gordon is a good thing. He is not worth half of what he is getting in Detroit.

Injuries happen. Noah was the longest, and word is that he screwed that one up.

My biggest complaint is that they should have canned him back in December when the news broke.
 
VDN was not a good head coach. He's not as good as the retreads and he wasn't a great hire. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything but there are many better choices. The Bulls should have fired him in December but they did the right thing in letting him go.
 
JMM28 said:
Get serious. The guy didn't win, period. That team had the talent to be much better than an 8th seed and sacrificial lamb to the Cavs...

They went the cheap route instead of the proven route and this is what they got...

Now if they can just get Phil back and land Lebron..
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I disagree. As was stated above, this team did not have much depth, had devastating injuries, and he still got them into the playoffs. Vinny gets this team to 47 or 48 wins without the injuries, and on their way to 50+ wins next year with an added piece or two. But we will now never know for sure.

My fear is that he gets hired by some other team and takes them to the championship!
 
BUfan14 said:
I saw that rumor floating around last night on the internet, being he was Rose's coach. He will probably take the job right before we find out Kentucky is being stripped of all their wins and achievements the last season for violations.

Oh Please no to him! I don't know how I could root for the Bulls after what they did to Vinny, plus have to deal with Calipari being the coach? I mean I will always be a bulls fan, but wow having that guy be the coach would make it difficult for me to want him to have success.
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Agreed! Vinny should not have been hired in the first place if the management did not want to back him up.

And bringing Calipari in here would be a disaster! Maybe he's a good coach and gets them to the "Promised Land", but with the track record of college coaches coaching pro teams, I'm not counting on it. Besides, I don't want someone with his shady history here coaching this team!
 
Bravesfan said:
I disagree. As was stated above, this team did not have much depth, had devastating injuries, and he still got them into the playoffs. Vinny gets this team to 47 or 48 wins without the injuries, and on their way to 50+ wins next year with an added piece or two. But we will now never know for sure.

My fear is that he gets hired by some other team and takes them to the championship!
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Thank you, someone is on my side. I mean really, what did people expect from this team from the start, much less after all the injuries? I remember it not being too much.

By the way, While Gar was stumbling over his words and Pax apologizing for HIS actions in the press conference, Vinny once again showed class on his way out, thanking the Bulls right after they fired him! Hope he lands on his feet, he deserve it IMO.

Let me ask you this, Gar spent the whole time praising Vinny and saying this organization is better than it was 2 years ago because of Vinny, but to grow more the team needs to go in a different direction. How does that make sense that he can advance them some under him, but not anymore? What evidence is there that shows he can't advance the team anymore or that he should be let go? Especially if he had a big name free agent to add to his team.

Also I never said the Ben Gordon thing didn't make sense, but it hurt Vinny, especially if he wasn't going to be there to reap the benefits of losing him in the long run with the extra cap space this offseason. Same with Salmons. That is 2 of the Bulls better scorers and shooters, how much more did you want him to lose and still win?
 
It's all about the free agent market guys... these top 1-6 players on the market do not want to play for a coach like Vinny... first of all- he is on the sidelines looking like a deer in headlights. He has 0 head coaching experience... in the words of Colin Cowherd- "He doesn't pass the eye test." This has more to do with it that many people realize IMO
 
Nacho said:
It's all about the free agent market guys... these top 1-6 players on the market do not want to play for a coach like Vinny... first of all- he is on the sidelines looking like a deer in headlights. He has 0 head coaching experience... in the words of Colin Cowherd- "He doesn't pass the eye test." This has more to do with it that many people realize IMO
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I don't think it had more to do with "the eye test", I think it had everything to do with "the eye test." Gar gave no real negatives or reasons to get rid of Vinny in the press conference, basically he just wasn't an attractive enough option as the Bulls coach. He was an unknown young coach, but they hired him knowing that, so they should have stuck to their commitment. Not gone off perception, and public appeal. While many in Chicago agree with the move, many others don't, so I think the situation was bad for PR as stated by Dwade.

Also Lebron seemed to back Vinny in his comments as far as free agents, but we will see I guess if we get anybody. I think Lebron would love a coach that would give him freedom like Vinny gave Drose. So how do you know they don't want to play for him? Players don't care about coaches in the NBA other than what they will let them do. Vinny was a players coach that gave freedom, and I think NBA free agents would like that. Just my opinion though.
 
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