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Les' preference?

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Is it my imagination, or our complete lack of talented people over 6'5", that Les in in love with always playing 3 guards? Often 3 guards with 2 small forwards. We consistently get killed around the basket and all our bigs are on the bench. I think one time tonight we had Cole-Scott, Ruff, Crouch, Warren & Wilson at the same time. It might have been when Ruff was hurt and we had Sam M. in with those mentioned above. Someone please tell Coach this IS a tall person's game. It isn't soccer! I just have a complete dislike of the 3 guard strategy and always will. 3 guards every so often during a game as a change-up, but not 80% of the time!
 
georgethedog said:
Is it my imagination, or our complete lack of talented people over 6'5", that Les in in love with always playing 3 guards? Often 3 guards with 2 small forwards. We consistently get killed around the basket and all our bigs are on the bench. I think one time tonight we had Cole-Scott, Ruff, Crouch, Warren & Wilson at the same time. It might have been when Ruff was hurt and we had Sam M. in with those mentioned above. Someone please tell Coach this IS a tall person's game. It isn't soccer! I just have a complete dislike of the 3 guard strategy and always will. 3 guards every so often during a game as a change-up, but not 80% of the time!
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Cole Scott IE; "Turnover City". should NEVER step on a D -1 basketball court again. He reeks JUCO!
Do not even mention Egolf, taking another shot the rest of his life does not even enter his mind. ( MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD THING), Les actually puts him in the game!
Wilson should play a minimum 30 minutes a game. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Grassman said:
Cole Scott IE; "Turnover City". should NEVER step on a D -1 basketball court again. He reeks JUCO!
Do not even mention Egolf, taking another shot the rest of his life does not even enter his mind. ( MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD THING), Les actually puts him in the game!
Wilson should play a minimum 30 minutes a game. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are you drunk? Seriously.
 
Gtd - you have a pretty good point... and in that, I mean... it isn't working with the gameplan, maybe we need to change the gameplan.

I was not fond of the heavy guard offense that Villanova had a couple years ago... and then BU took to it last year... and I see many teams going to it.... and I see many teams struggle that don't have good guard play beyond 1-2 guards.

I like the heavy guards. Unfortunately, we just don't have the 1 or 2 bigs that make it work. Give it time as I think it is a work in progress. Sticks is gonna be a good one. Coach Les has and is bringing great guards.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Are you drunk? Seriously.
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NO!
Cole- Scott, when in the game,"reeks Juco," He is out of control ! Witness his layups . Usually high off the board with such velocity that they fail to fall anywhere near "The hole". His drives are mis laden adventures that usually fall somewhere between traveling and charging.
His 3 point attempts are usually from the corner, however "cool." have the smallest percentage of success.
He is not playing in band box JUCO Gyms, against inferior competition, but rather D_1 opponents that are comparable to his skill level.
My friend was at the game tonght, who played D-1 ball, he said Cole -Scott should NEVER, get oiff the bench!
Are you delusional or on Kool-AID ?
My God look at his STATS!:confused: Weak!
 
MacabreMob said:
The season is a journey.

The team is comprised of young men - learning.

Don't take a sheeyat on them.
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Nice song Mac-Mob. Really would like to meet you for a cold one someday!

Right, which means you agree with me, or wrong! Always enyoy your posts.
 
MacabreMob said:
Gtd - you have a pretty good point... and in that, I mean... it isn't working with the gameplan, maybe we need to change the gameplan.

I was not fond of the heavy guard offense that Villanova had a couple years ago... and then BU took to it last year... and I see many teams going to it.... and I see many teams struggle that don't have good guard play beyond 1-2 guards.

I like the heavy guards. Unfortunately, we just don't have the 1 or 2 bigs that make it work. Give it time as I think it is a work in progress. Sticks is gonna be a good one. Coach Les has and is bringing great guards.
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Hi Mob... Yes, you are correct for sure that we need a couple bigs in order to make the guard thing work, and more than 2 good guards! Right on point.

What scares me about TCS is he takes crazy shots like I did back in college intramurals... but I had a softer touch. I'm afraid one of these times he's going to bank it so hard that the backboard is going to break and the Civic Center won't have a replacement glass on hand.
 
georgethedog said:
Hi Mob... Yes, you are correct for sure that we need a couple bigs in order to make the guard thing work, and more than 2 good guards! Right on point.

What scares me about TCS is he takes crazy shots like I did back in college intramurals... but I had a softer touch. I'm afraid one of these times he's going to bank it so hard that the backboard is going to break and the Civic Center won't have a replacement glass on hand.
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I do have to give TCS some credit. He would have been a pretty good 6th man on our team, but only if I could have taught him how to keep his right elbow in on his jump shot! Man, that elbow flies out and who knows where the ball is going after that.
 
What sort of offence could BU run with 2 of out current F / C's at the same time? If we were playing 4-Salley and 5-DC, the O would be dead. Sure the Bull could win a championships with a speciality player like Rodman as a 4 and a barely adequate Center like Perdue, but that's only works if you have MJ and Pippen! BU does not have any superstars, and does not have a mobile enough big to play the 4. Sommerville was great as a 4 for Jim because he was a post-up and 3 point threat. Salley or Austin would only be wandering around, setting screens.

I hold hope that eventually Egolf could become an athletic inside/outside 4 and AT will become a regular offensive threat inside, just won't happen this year.
 
Geez....where to start?

I guess I'll talk about the ol' 3-guard lineup because I don't necessarily need to see the squad to make some insightful comments (relatively speaking, of course....).

For the past couple of years we've run that, we've had at least one big guy who was able to rebound and be respected to find a way to put the ball in the hole. We had POB, Cellus (although he played a lot on the perimeter, he was respected on the block), and Zach (who may not have been polished, but found a way to be effective). At the very least, teams had to account for them and not focus 100% on the perimeter.

This year, we don't seem to have a big guy that demands, at the very least, a minimal amount of respect. What's been the big point output from our big guys this year? Exactly. There's no fear of anybody on our inside game, so everybody can overplay the guards because there's no fear of getting the ball down low. Maybe DC can be this guy, but until he gets out of JL's doghouse, that ain't gonna happen.

Good guard play is absolutely critical to success at the D-1 level, especially come tournament time. But, if that's all you hang your hat on, you're in deep kimchee, because there has to be some semblance of an inside game to eliminate the 100% defensive focus on your guards.

With all that, listening to JL on the post-game, he sounded way, way, way too doom-and-gloom about DRuff's injury.....I sense that it's a lot worse than any of us know.....I know I've banged on him for being reckless and out-of-control at times, but he still is absolutely critical to this team's success. If he turns out to miss significant time, we're gonna see some significant losses.......
 
georgethedog said:
What scares me about TCS is he takes crazy shots like I did back in college intramurals... but I had a softer touch.
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Good point, george.

I just do not see any level of thinking in his game. He is out-of-control when he is in there. He is doing nothing on offense. Nothing. He is contributing nothing to this team. Shooting slumps will happen, but his whole game is bad right now.
 
Cole-Scott has not found his game yet, but he has a lot of talent and capability .. and he is coachable with a positive attitude. What we don't want are players with million dollar bodies and ten cent heads. Cole-Scott will be a solid contributor before his days at Bradley are done.

I remember many posters wanting to cut JJ from the team during his sophomore year, but there have been several posts in the last few days recalling how valuable he became during his junior and senior years and how this year's team could use a player like JJ.
 
Dallas Brave said:
Cole-Scott has not found his game yet, but he has a lot of talent and capability .. and he is coachable with a positive attitude. What we don't want are players with million dollar bodies and ten cent heads. Cole-Scott will be a solid contributor before his days at Bradley are done.

I remember many posters wanting to cut JJ from the team during his sophomore year, but there have been several posts in the last few days recalling how valuable he became during his junior and senior years and how this year's team could use a player like JJ.
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Unlike JJ at that time, he now has basically a year and a half. He's got a long way to go and a short time to get there. Hope your right.
 
TheGreatOne said:
Good point, george.

I just do not see any level of thinking in his game. He is out-of-control when he is in there. He is doing nothing on offense. Nothing. He is contributing nothing to this team. Shooting slumps will happen, but his whole game is bad right now.
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I posted last night that I found myself rooting for him.......He got hammered on at least three drives with no call.....I was close enough to see that.....I believe TCS wil have you guys eating your words by the time this season ends.....IMHO
 
The 3 guard offense is Bradley's identity and I doubt it will change anytime soon. JL will keep recruiting top caliber guards and athletic big men to fit this style. While having a solid non-conference record is a plus, winning the MVC and/or the MVC Tourney trump that big time. This style is meant to dominate the Valley, which is full of the traditional 2 out/3 in style teams. Teams with slow big men who BU plans to wear down and beat down the floor. Granted there are times where this strategy doesn't always work, but more often than not it is a much different look for these teams and they aren't fully prepared to play against it.
 
edmondo15 said:
This style is meant to dominate the Valley, which is full of the traditional 2 out/3 in style teams.
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OK, I understand the strategy (don't agree) but understand your points. However, I singled out part of your quote above for a reason. Can some historian out there tell us in Coach Les' tenure what positions we finished year-by-year? Since you state that this style is meant to "dominate the Valley", I would expect 1st or 2nd place finishes year after year with some Valley tourney championships. (I am not down on Les just in case anyone was wondering, but I do question playing small teams in a big-man sport).
 
georgethedog said:
OK, I understand the strategy (don't agree) but understand your points. However, I singled out part of your quote above for a reason. Can some historian out there tell us in Coach Les' tenure what positions we finished year-by-year? Since you state that this style is meant to "dominate the Valley", I would expect 1st or 2nd place finishes year after year with some Valley tourney championships. (I am not down on Les just in case anyone was wondering, but I do question playing small teams in a big-man sport).
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Just food for thought -

I guess it didn't "click" in the 06 season til late (beating SIU at home by 12, winning at (then ranked) UNI by 22, and knocking off Conf Champ and 1 seed Wich St in the COnf Tourney... before going to the Sweet 16 with wins over Kansas and Pitt.

As for the 07 season, we had a good year with some good wins... but I think we were 1 more decent big man away from being where Coach Les (and us all) wanted us to be. (how many times were we without Zach and all we had left was Matty - heck, we beat Providence with 5 guards on the floor... DA defending their Center)
 
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