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IU Mackey in trouble...

This has not been a good year in college basketball.
I am really saddened that we have been hearing so much of this kind of thing lately.
And it has been happening to kids at the top schools like this IU recruit, the kid at Tennessee, at Kansas, the Jamar thing, etc.
Is it getting out of hand?
 
Perhaps it is, but one thing I have to say is that I don't believe the Missouri Valley has
had much of this kind of thing. Sure a kid got kicked off at Creighton, and a DUI at ISU,
and a couple incidents at BU but none of this stuff has involved the police other than traffic
offenses. But if the NCAA wants to get involved watch the big boys like IU, Duke, Kansas,
etc. get a pass on this. Even the worst problem I can recall in the Valley wouldn't
even get reported if it happened down at Champaign, in Bloomington, Ind., or Lawrence, Kans.
 
The chickens have come home to roost, as the environment of incredibly soft or nonexistent discipline has created a society in college athletics where the inmates run the asylum.

If nobody is ever disciplined, soon there will be chaos.
Just do a word search (on BradleyFans or Google) for the word "arrested" or the word "suspended" and you'll get hits for Kansas, Kansas State (the Huggins effect), Missouri, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Illinois, Iowa State (several times), and a few other BCS schools but just a few midmajors.
Critics keep saying really stupid things like
"it happens everywhere"
"all college kids are doing it"
"they just made bad decisions"
"they really are good kids and deserve a second chance"
etc.........

But not true.
It seems to be happening almost exclusively in college football and college basketball at the big name schools, and more than anywhere else, the Big XII and Big Ten.
Here's more evidence:

Every team in college basketball has (roughly) the same number of players on the roster.
In the 10 team MVC I cannot find an example of a kid with an incident involving an attack, a bar brawl, a drunken spree, a gun, or a knife, etc...
(UNI booted a kid because of an arrest he had long before he enrolled but that's the worst I can find)
But in the 12-team Big XII I can find nearly a couple dozen such incidents in just the past year or two where basketball players have been arrested as such.
It also just happened to at least 10 different kids in the C-USA in just a ONE WEEK SPAN causing headaches for Mike Davis at UAB and John Calipari at Memphis.

Sorry, but some people seem really offended by the suggestion that certain programs are recruting thugs, but I think the simple facts speak for themselves.
 
Nothings going to change. The big school coaches won't settle for any little rules that would prevent them from getting the most athletically talented kids.
And the NCAA will never step in and do anything because it is essentially run by the very guys who don't want any rules to stop them from getting those kids.
In another bit of news, I read where Bud Mackey now has come up with 410,000 full cash bail and is now out of jail.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070929/NEWS01/70929018
My suggestion is an absolute no-tolerance rule.
One arrest involving a drugs, a weapon, or draw the line anywhere you want, but just one and the kid is a goner, scholarship yanked.
 
 
tornado said:
Sorry, but some people seem really offended by the suggestion that certain programs are recruting thugs, but I think the simple facts speak for themselves.
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Maybe the fact is.... more of the top players are thugs, meaning there is a greater percentage of 3-4-5 star athletes who are thugs compared to 2-1-unrated star athletes.

And who recruits (and gets) more 3-4-5 star recruits? The BCS schools.

(T - this may be what you have been saying all along as well)
 
MacabreMob said:
Maybe the fact is.... more of the top players are thugs, meaning there is a greater percentage of 3-4-5 star athletes who are thugs compared to 2-1-unrated star athletes.

And who recruits (and gets) more 3-4-5 star recruits? The BCS schools.

(T - this may be what you have been saying all along as well)
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Maybe, and it's possible that the superstars have been treated special, like royalty, and given a free pass on bad behavior in the past. The more your talent will buy you that pass, then the more it reinforces bad and spoiled behavior.
 
bert notorius said:
Do drugs=thugs?
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Sorry Bert - you're right.

Doing drugs doesn't mean you are a thug. Doesn't mean you are a bad person... at all.

Just like rolling through a stop sign in the middle of the bean-fields at a 4-way where you can see for a couple miles... doesn't mean you are a thug.

Just like J-walking on Main Street when there is no traffic... doesn't mean you are a thug.

They are all the same. No thugs to be found in those situations at all.

I say have at it - "thug" at free will... 'cause they ain't no thugs in my mind.
 
I don't know the kid. From what I have read he had a lot of people fooled. Do I think this is somehow karmic to Gordon? No. It is tragic on many levels. I know a lot of people who "made it through" their experimentation period with drugs without legal intervention and have put it behind them. This kid probably won't make it. Breaking, entering, and stealing strikes me as being more thug like...and you can run with that.

Sampson being short another 5 star could affect my future basketball viewing enjoyment, and in that respect, I apologize for being so selfish.
 
Much of even the local Hoosier press is wondering why Kelvin Sampson isn't revoking the scholarship already.

"If Mackey??™s scholarship offer wasn??™t revoked by midnight then the decision process already has taken too long to complete.

If Sampson wants to set an example about who truly runs his program, then he has no choice but to wash his hands of this situation right now. If he wants to shut up the sometimes-griping fan section that looks with disdain at his previous run-ins with the bosses at the NCAA, then he needs to get out quick.

Indiana has prided itself as a program with a history of keeping its nose clean."

http://www.news-tribune.net/sports/local_story_272235538.html
 
We are only about 2 weeks away, and I am very curious to see if Indiana
accepts a signed letter of intent from Mackey. Kelvin will have to make a tough
decision, either dump the kid before any of the legal proceedings begin, or
get deluged with criticism for accepting a LOI from a kid charged with dealing crack.
On top of it all, the loss of the scholarship due to the phone violations,
means he needs this scholarship desperately if he wants Tyler Zeller.
 
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