Accountability

[lefty]

Personally T...I think you are way off base on this one.

Everyone thinks JL is doing a good job......

I disagree strongly...
there are those who are lying in wait to pounce on JL but things are just going well enough that maybe you don't notice them.
But I do...they still sneak in a few jabs and insults whenever they can, and if I respond over there on the other board, my posts are continuously deleted.

lefty, I because I am likely the highest-profile, most vocal pro-BU guy on the message boards, I am continually the target of those who want to continue the attack via private messaging.
If you'd like, I'll show you some of the PM's I've gotten from some very prominet posters on the other boards who hate Jl and will take any opportunity to attack him.
They are holdover, frustrated Wayne McClain fans who never wanted JL as head coach and still haven't let up.

They are the same 8000+ posters who act like they are really BU fans when in fact they are anti-BU.
They loudly and vocally condemned JimLes and the entire coachgin staff when there were issues that caused some of the BU kids to be ineligible, and they called on JL to be held accountable.

Also-- some local columnists have also held JL accountable for those issues.

All I ask is why we don't see those same people holding BW and WM accountable.
I think the answer is that they are totally anti-JL biasesd and that their opinion of the issues is not fair nor objective, they're just using the issues to attack Jim Les.
If they were fair or consistent, they would be asking that BW and his coachgin staff be similarly held accountable.

You know I wasn't a big fan of JL..and there are some things that bother some people about him ,but I really do think...OK most everyone believes he is doing a good job. Several of those on the other board have said so.
I don't think BW gets a pass in everything...he's been blasted about recruiting..keeping McBride..and we will see how this all shakes out.
What does WM have to do with all this...when people were going after JL they didn't go after the assisstants.

I don't understand why people would send you attacking pm's
it's a message board for crying out loud...kind of silly really because I have alot more important stuff to do but it is kind of fun from time to time..but that's why I'm inconsistent onhere.
Plus I type slow.
And maybe T..just maybe when you post you kind of like to get people going a little? :wink:
Again I was one of the biggest anti-JL people around and he's done a great job the few years and looks like he will do well for a long time.

 

[lefty]

2005-06 Jim Les 22-11 .667
2004-05 Jim Les 13-15 .464
2003-04 Jim Les 15-16 .484
2002-03 Jim Les 12-18 .400

2005-06 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788
2004-05 Bruce Weber 37-2 .949
2003-04 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788

Sometimes success can be blinding. 8)

I have a hunch Jim Les might have done a little better if he had inherited a roster full of Bill Self recruits

Welcome, Bert. I appreciate your honesty and wit....[/quote

I think people felt he did inherit some decent recruits. That was one of the reasons they let Mo go.Broski knew they could be good the next year. JL didn't have a couple of NBA'ers but he had one..there was talent there it just didn't work out then.

 

[tornado]

Trust me, lefty...I am not referring to you.
People are entitled to be pro- or anti whatever they want....
There have been a sort-of "secret society" of anti-Jim Les people since he arrived....some seem to work for the local news media.
Some of them are hard to figure out, but some have posted prominently of their disllike for him, business fallouts with JL, and of their intense and irrational feelings against him.

I am pro-Jim Les, and if that "gets people going" then I have to wonder why they cannot tolerate an opinion other than their own.
I support their right to be anti-Jim Les, but if they are going to be hypocritical and claim to be true Bradley fans, when in fact they are NOT, I will use the truth to expose them.

 

[Average Joe]

Legit argument, and I think the coaches at Illinois have lost control.
Not sure why these pampered athletes cannot see the riaks they take with certain behavior.

 

[mike radigan]

Bert - I think you should either:

1) quit posting here (only kidding - read #2)

2) continue posting ONLY if you use some of your famous avatars (those things are GREAT!)

Yeah Bert!

 

[Dubl R 1]

Trust me, lefty...I am not referring to you.
People are entitled to be pro- or anti whatever they want....
There have been a sort-of "secret society" of anti-Jim Les people since he arrived....some seem to work for the local news media.
Some of them are hard to figure out, but some have posted prominently of their disllike for him, business fallouts with JL, and of their intense and irrational feelings against him.

I am pro-Jim Les, and if that "gets people going" then I have to wonder why they cannot tolerate an opinion other than their own.
I support their right to be anti-Jim Les, but if they are going to be hypocritical and claim to be true Bradley fans, when in fact they are NOT, I will use the truth to expose them.

I think that the "Secret Society" you are talking about may have also been responsible for the poor snow removal the city experienced on Dec 1-4, and may have had a hand in the whole Anna Nicole Smith ordeal.

 

[Dubl R 1]

No seriously, I'm just kidding. Jim Les and the whole BU staff are doing an excellent job, and they seem to be getting better all the time. I don't care who you are, you are going to have people who don't like you, and some people will never change their mind. So, Tornado, just let them keep on hatin while BU keeps on winning.

 

[Dallas Brave]

No seriously, I'm just kidding. Jim Les and the whole BU staff are doing an excellent job, and they seem to be getting better all the time. I don't care who you are, you are going to have people who don't like you, and some people will never change their mind. So, Tornado, just let them keep on hatin while BU keeps on winning.

Ironically, Richard Nixon once said, "The people that hate you (I believe he was referring to those who hate the U.S., not him) can only win if you hate them back."

I am not a big Tricky Dick fan, but I thought he was on top of his game with that insight.

 

[bert notorius]

Yeah Mike!

 

[tornado]

So, Tornado, just let them keep on hatin while BU keeps on winning.

Sure...I still let them....they are free to say and do as they please...although there will be some control of it on this board.
But in case you hadn't noticed, me and my pro-BU stance have been mercilessly attacked by a few of those who thought they had some pretty strong arguments about Jim Les, and they labelled the pro-Jim Les folks as Koolaid drinkers, zombies, and even racists and backstabbers for not supporting one of the other candidates.
I just reserve the right to remind those anti-BU folks how bad the mess would be if the powers on the hilltop had actually listened to them and canned Jim Les when they were asking for it.
You mean you don't remember the threads elsewhere trashing JL, asking who they should hire as the next coach and how long are we going to put up with losing when the "cupboard was not bare"? Never mind that even Dana Altman wasn't winning in his first 4 seasons.
And, like I say, if they'd have all gone away we wouldn't be having this conversation, but I get PM's still from them attacking JL and the pro-BU folks, and some of them still post anti-BU stuff....did you not see it over the weekend?

May I remind you, that the preponderance of anti-BU sentiment is the reason this message board came about, it is the very thing that called for a new place for the real Bradley fans to gather and discuss without being slammed repeatedly by those who held some hatred for JL or BU.
And is it any surprise that this message board has grown by leaps and bounds?

 

[Dubl R 1]

So, Tornado, just let them keep on hatin while BU keeps on winning.

Sure...I still let them....they are free to say and do as they please...although there will be some control of it on this board.
But in case you hadn't noticed, me and my pro-BU stance have been mercilessly attacked by a few of those who thought they had some pretty strong arguments about Jim Les, and they labelled the pro-Jim Les folks as Koolaid drinkers, zombies, and even racists and backstabbers for not supporting one of the other candidates.
I just reserve the right to remind those anti-BU folks how bad the mess would be if the powers on the hilltop had actually listened to them and canned Jim Les when they were asking for it.
You mean you don't remember the threads elsewhere trashing JL, asking who they should hire as the next coach and how long are we going to put up with losing when the "cupboard was not bare"? Never mind that even Dana Altman wasn't winning in his first 4 seasons.
And, like I say, if they'd have all gone away we wouldn't be having this conversation, but I get PM's still from them attacking JL and the pro-BU folks, and some of them still post anti-BU stuff....did you not see it over the weekend?

May I remind you, that the preponderance of anti-BU sentiment is the reason this message board came about, it is the very thing that called for a new place for the real Bradley fans to gather and discuss without being slammed repeatedly by those who held some hatred for JL or BU.
And is it any surprise that this message board has grown by leaps and bounds?

You're right, and Im glad you guys put this sight together. Honestly, at the time I didn't think JL was the best candidate for the job, and I still don't think he was, but I'm glad the selection committee thought he was, as he has turned into an outstanding coach. Anyone who still thinks that JL has not turned the program around or thinks we are not moving in the right direction, IMO isn't worth listening to or even arguing with because they are obviously just negative towards BU(the people you are talking about). Believe me, anything you write or post will probably not change their minds, and no matter where you go or what site you create, these "haters" will follow. Plus, I like
Kool Aide. I doubt we could get around the copy rights, but wouldn't the Kool-Aide man be a great BU mascot?

 

[Mikovio]

You're only hated if people think you're worth hating. In other words, if you're relevant.

I've never met anybody that hates Chicago State, Western Illinois, or the Tampa Bay Devil Rays....

Let them hate. It makes winning more fun

 

[tornado]

Mr. Thursday Night??

How about Mr. "one and done"

 

[IheartBU]

Champaign County prosecutors filed Aggravated DUI and Failure to Report An Injury Accident charges against the sophomore guard.

http://www.week.com/Story.aspx?type=ln&NStoryID=56911

Here we go.

 

[Mikovio]

It's being reported that he left his teammate for dead. Literally.

That's crazy. I do NOT want him on the Hilltop.....

 

[bert notorius]

Statement from Head Coach Bruce Weber


Feb. 20, 2007

Champaign, Ill. - "This was a case of extremely poor judgment by Jamar. Now the legal process must run its course. Our program will continue to support Jamar as he deals with this situation. He remains a part of our family and needs us now more than ever. The most important thing is that both young men are alive, and that Brian is expected to make a full recovery."

 

[tornado]

"extremely poor judgement" = criminal and negligent behavior

but here's what really begins to smell bad....

These are quotes from the PJ Star...

First..
it says that assistant coach Wayne McClain arrived at the apartment complex and transported Jamar Smith to the hospital.

then it says:
"About 1 a.m., police located Smith and transported him to Carle"

But the Daily Illini states:
"Smith drove the damaged car 1.5 miles from the site of the accident back to his apartment and both players were transported via ambulance to Carle"

Hmmmm....I am confused....which is it??


But here is something I would like to know.
If indeed Jamar called the coaches right after the accident, and if the coaches were there at the apartment, and then later at the hospital, which seems to be factual at this time, they must have all known that alcohol, partying, underage drinking, and serious misjudgements were at play here.

Why didn't they come forward and make a statement that they knew this and that those who had violated team and university rules would be disciplined.

Instead, they did just about everything they could do to give the appearance that they wanted to cover it all up and hope iot would just go away.

They had to have known this would all come out....why didn't they make an intelligent statement early on...instead of acting like nothing seruious happened and we're all supporting the poor innocent victims...?

 

[smitty]

Statement from Head Coach Bruce Weber


Feb. 20, 2007

Champaign, Ill. - "This was a case of extremely poor judgment by Jamar. Now the legal process must run its course. Our program will continue to support Jamar as he deals with this situation. He remains a part of our family and needs us now more than ever. The most important thing is that both young men are alive, and that Brian is expected to make a full recovery."

Bruce is just plain wrong or maybe trying to spin this more favorably for U of I.
This was not just "poor judgement". It was criminal behavior, and a long string of "poor judgements". I am tired of all the apologists telling us we shouldn't jump to conclusions, yet they jump to these silly excuses like--
"he had a concussion and probably wasn't capable of thinking clearly"
"he's just a 19 year old kid and he isn't mature enough to know what to do in that situation"
"the timeline shows he didn't leave Carwell in the car for 2 hours"
When in fact, Smith never did call anyone for help for Carlwell.

I feel sorry for Jamar Smith, but his actions that night are criminal and indefensible.
--starting with the drinking and partying while underaged, driving while impaired, causing the accident when there was nobody else on the road, causing serious injury to his friend, leaving the scene of the accident despite the fact the car was damaged far too seriously to be safely driveable, leaving his friend alone and seriously injured in the car, failing to call for emergency help, and who know how many other "poor judgements" at the apartments and thereafter.
If this had been any of us, we would have been hauled off in handcuffs that night. So Smith has already received special treatment, ala Luther Head, Rich McBride, and Aaron Spears.
Unfortunately, he won't get off easy like the others did with charges dropped, and a suspension for a couple meaningless games.

 

[tornado]

Is it a routine in felony cases to allow the defendant to simply get in a car with a relative and drive away, leave town and go wherever he wanted?