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Too early on Jeter IMO

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srw

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Just starting this off..

May be him...

May not be him...

If it is great...

If its not..doesnt mean the administration screwed it up..doesnt mean they didn't screw it up either...

I, at least, dont know everything....

Im wondering if he is using us as leverage for more money..

The people I know in Milwaukee say this is a much better job, and he has two guys that are coming in that can help us.
 
Like I said in another thread. I wouldn't mind this hire in another scenario, not a huge fan now. My thoughts on this hire are 'meh'.

Kind of a safe, minimal splash, hire.
 
If offered the Bradley job- Jeter has several things to consider-
Bradley is a better job, and will pay more. Is that worth moving for? Would UW-M be willing to up their pay to keep him?
Does he want to leave Wisconsin, where he has always coached?
How does this move affect his chances of getting the Wisconsin job if and when Bo Ryan leaves?
 
Da Coach said:
If offered the Bradley job- Jeter has several things to consider-
Bradley is a better job, and will pay more. Is that worth moving for? Would UW-M be willing to up their pay to keep him?
Does he want to leave Wisconsin, where he has always coached?
How does this move affect his chances of getting the Wisconsin job if and when Bo Ryan leaves?
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Im not really sure it does make more money da coach...

He was at 411k in 2009 according to this thread (another usatoday article had him at 400 in 2007, so it seems accurate)

http://bit.ly/i80C5I

Is BU really going to top that by much..Can't imagine them heading over the amount they were paying previously unless its a spectacular hire.
 
The Bradley offer would be more than he is making at UW-M. Otherwise, he would have closed the door already.
 
Da Coach said:
How does this move affect his chances of getting the Wisconsin job if and when Bo Ryan leaves?
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I have talked to a couple of friends of mine who are Wisconsin grads with one friend being a booster. Their thoughts about this is that Bo Ryan is currently 63 years old and is in good health. They believe that Ryan has around 12 more years of coaching left in him. Their feelings about Ryan are eerily similar to what Penn State fans feel about Joe Paterno. So based on that, I feel that we should not worry about Jeter leaving early for Wisconsin. If for some reason Ryan retires in say 4-5 years and Jeter has a good run here, then Jeter leaving for Wisconsin would be a good thing for the Bradley program. imho Oh btw, I asked who they would rather have between Jeter and Gard for a head coach, and they both stated without a doubt... Jeter:!:
 
I was not referring to how Bradley fans should react to Jeter's chances of succeeding Ryan. I was referring to how a move to Bradley might affect Jeter's situation. I suspect he has talked to Ryan about this. If he makes a move now and isn't successful for several years, then Ryan retires, Jeter would not be as likely to be their top pick. He would surely consider whether staying at UW-M might be an advantage if he is interested in the UW job.
 
Hard to see where he's a BETTER choice than what we had...please - someone show me some evidence, I'd like to know what you have..
Does he have Chicago connections?

The ONLY Chicago kids he has ever landed - he nabbed out of Simeon and they were both serious troublemakers (Flowers, Johnson) and were dismissed -- not to mention they were caught up in the cheating scandal that involved Derrick Rose and cost Memphis 30 games forfeited.
Since then he's done worse getting talent out of Chicago than 9 of 10 Valley schools -- including BU.

He has averaged 16 losses every season for the past five years...and it's been against a set of opponents weaker than BU faces...
I thought even when BU was winning 21 & 22 games four years in a row -- the BIG knock from his detractors was that he also lost double digits...

BTW -- can anyone tell me how many post-season appearances UW-M has had in the past five years and how many wins? (Ans: one and none)
 
Da Coach said:
The Bradley offer would be more than he is making at UW-M. Otherwise, he would have closed the door already.
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Potentially Disagree sir...

It gives him potential leverage at UWM too...

Im not saying he will or will not go.

But please look at P-D coverage of Mike Anderson to see how easy it is to use school A to get a raise from school B
 
tornado said:
Hard to see where he's a BETTER choice than what we had...please - someone show me some evidence, I'd like to know what you have..
Does he have Chicago connections?

The ONLY Chicago kids he has ever landed - he nabbed out of Simeon and they were both serious troublemakers (Flowers, Johnson) and were dismissed -- not to mention they were caught up in the cheating scandal that involved Derrick Rose and cost Memphis 30 games forfeited.
Since then he's done worse getting talent out of Chicago than 9 of 10 Valley schools -- including BU.

He has averaged 16 losses every season for the past five years...and it's been against a set of opponents weaker than BU faces...
I thought even when BU was winning 21 & 22 games four years in a row -- the BIG knock from his detractors was that he also lost double digits...

BTW -- can anyone tell me how many post-season appearances UW-M has had in the past five years and how many wins? (Ans: one and none)
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So you arent in favor of this pick T?
 
tornado said:
Hard to see where he's a BETTER choice than what we had...please - someone show me some evidence, I'd like to know what you have..
Does he have Chicago connections?

The ONLY Chicago kids he has ever landed - he nabbed out of Simeon and they were both serious troublemakers (Flowers, Johnson) and were dismissed -- not to mention they were caught up in the cheating scandal that involved Derrick Rose and cost Memphis 30 games forfeited.
Since then he's done worse getting talent out of Chicago than 9 of 10 Valley schools -- including BU.

He has averaged 16 losses every season for the past five years...and it's been against a set of opponents weaker than BU faces...
I thought even when BU was winning 21 & 22 games four years in a row -- the BIG knock from his detractors was that he also lost double digits...

BTW -- can anyone tell me how many post-season appearances UW-M has had in the past five years and how many wins? (Ans: one and none)
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Jeter was Bo Ryan's lead recruiter for around 10 years. The man certainly has recruiting connections.

srw said:
Potentially Disagree sir...

It gives him potential leverage at UWM too...

Im not saying he will or will not go.

But please look at P-D coverage of Mike Anderson to see how easy it is to use school A to get a raise from school B
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Agree about potential leverage issue...
 
srw said:
So you arent in favor of this pick T?
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have not decided -- just asking for more one way or the other...

I thought we were gonna "hit it out of the park" and with the huge field of interested candidates we were getting -- we were going to get a guy who is a proven winner that'll take us to the next level...
I say break the bank and get Shaka or the top Butler assistant
 
tornado said:
Hard to see where he's a BETTER choice than what we had...please - someone show me some evidence, I'd like to know what you have..
Does he have Chicago connections?

The ONLY Chicago kids he has ever landed - he nabbed out of Simeon and they were both serious troublemakers (Flowers, Johnson) and were dismissed -- not to mention they were caught up in the cheating scandal that involved Derrick Rose and cost Memphis 30 games forfeited.
Since then he's done worse getting talent out of Chicago than 9 of 10 Valley schools -- including BU.

He has averaged 16 losses every season for the past five years...and it's been against a set of opponents weaker than BU faces...
I thought even when BU was winning 21 & 22 games four years in a row -- the BIG knock from his detractors was that he also lost double digits...

BTW -- can anyone tell me how many post-season appearances UW-M has had in the past five years and how many wins? (Ans: one and none)
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Does this mean you will be canceling your season tickets? Clearly we are doomed if it's this poor soul leading us.
 
tornado said:
have not decided -- just asking for more one way or the other...

I thought we were gonna "hit it out of the park" and with the huge field of interested candidates we were getting -- we were going to get a guy who is a proven winner that'll take us to the next level...
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This is what I'm saying. I don't mind Jeter, but why fire JL to get to him. If this is the hire we make, I'm not going to kick and scream, but it would be very hard to argue that firing JL was based on on-the-court performance...
 
Beninator said:
Jeter was Bo Ryan's lead recruiter for around 10 years. The man certainly has recruiting connections. ......
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Only four of those season were at Wisconsin...but that was nearly a decade ago...
an equal amount of that time was at D-III Platteville where you aren't even calling on D-I caliber kids..

What top players or pro-caliber players is he responsible for recruiting? Most coaching bios list all the kids he's ever been associated who make it to the pros --
(recall the Ritchie McKay bio claiming credit for making obscure DG into an NBA player!)

I am not yet willing to doubt the claim he's a great recruiter...but before I accept it, please let's see some evidence, some names, etc...

But even in Jeter's bio, the only players it even mentions as kids he's handled or recruited are Ja'Rob McCallum (a 7ppg SG at UW-M), Adrian Tigert (career 9ppg scorer), Chris Hill (6ppg scorer).
So am I missing something...top recruiter, lead recruiter, lots of connections...?
if all this is true - then give me a name......who has he landed that anyone from Illinois has ever heard of?
In the same interval -- Jim Les recruited at least EIGHT kids who DID or who would have gotten to 1200 - 1600 career points at Bradley!
I can't find on recruit connected to Jeter who even came close.
(Cellus, POB, Ruff, JC, Sammy, Warren, TB, DSE)
(I dug a bunch to see if Jeter's name was ever associated with Alando Tucker (Lockport) but it was never mentioned in any recruiting article from that time.)
 
Shaka isn't coming to BU. VCU, right now, is a superior job. Smart is going BCS when he moves.

The top Butler assistant has never been a head coach at any level and has only been their associate HC for a year. Isn't that the argument against Howard? At least Howard is known as a great recruiter.

BU is a better job than Milwaukee, but that alone doesn't mean a coach would jump. It has to be a big enough step up, and I'm not certain it is.

I know we'd all like to think that BU has its pick of coaches, but it does not.

The coaches that have had success at the mid-major level, in comparable leagues, aren't leaving their situation for Bradley. They just aren't.

They don't need BU to elevate their career.

If you want a successful HC, you have to look at the bottom 1/3 or leagues that don't pay salaries like most MVC schools.

Jeter would be about as good a hire as we can hope for. I think he has some things going for him and could be successful at BU, but I don't know that he'd jump without a significant salary increase ($2-300,000)

I'm still prepared to be underwhelmed.
 
amckillip said:
This is what I'm saying. I don't mind Jeter, but why fire JL to get to him. If this is the hire we make, I'm not going to kick and scream, but it would be very hard to argue that firing JL was based on on-the-court performance...
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I see your viewpoint - However wouldn't we need to see what Jeter can do here before we make that decision? If he came in and won big, then I think we'd be hard pressed to say that. If he came in and muddled around the 4-5 game for 5 years, then I would be inclined to agree with you. It's about getting better - If we don't eventually get better then we did ourselves no good. Hiring a guy that won a league similar to the MVC, and won COY in that league I think is a legitimate move to get better. But, as always, the proof will be on the court.
 
tornado said:
Only four of those season were at Wisconsin...but that was nearly a decade ago...
some of that time was Platteville where you aren't even caling on D-I caliber kids..
What pro-caliber players is he responsible for recruiting? Most coaching bios list all the kids he's ever been associated who make it to the pros -- recall the Ritchie McKay bio claiming credit for making obscure DG into an NBA player!
But even in Jeter's bio, the only players it even mentions as kids he's handled or recruited are Ja'Rob McCallum (a 7ppg SG at UW-M), Adrian Tigert (career 9ppg scorer), Chris Hill (6ppg scorer).
So am I missing something...top recruiter, lead recruiter, lots of connections...
if all this is true - then give me a name......who has he landed that anyone from Illinois has ever heard of?
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It clearly did not work out for Wisconsin or Bradley for that matter, but I was told that he was the lead recruiter who landed DeArron Williams.(sp?) If so, there was certainly a lot of competition at the time to land Williams.
 
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