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Bite the Bullet

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wizard1

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Like many of you, I am in 100% agreement that a change must be made at the end of this season.

Our BB program is in a shambles with or without TB and SM. IMO, our record would have been somewhat better with them but overall, we would still be mired in the same mediocrity we have had for the past 8 or 9 years.

New recruits are great and it looks like we may have some good ones but new recruits cannot get the job done without the leadership, direction, motivation, tactical skill, teaching, and winning philosophy offensively and defensively of an outstanding coach.

While unwavering optimism and blind loyalty may be OK for awhile, these ultimately must give way to a recognition of what is truly happening to the Bradly BB program.

However painful, let's bite the bullet---make the change---and move on!!
 
BradleyJD said:
I think JL is untouchable. If they haven't made a change by now, why would they after this season?

I think he will be back next season.
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Disagree on both parts. Nobody is untouchable and IMHO changing coaches in mid-season in college hoops won't accomplish much.
 
BradleyJD said:
I didn't mean a mid-season change. I meant if he hasn't been fired up to this year....why would he be after the year.
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It will all depend on finances IMO. The lost revenue by declining attendance and lost season ticket revenue may offset or even exceed what a buyout would cost. If you're going to lose the money, you might as well lose it while turning around the program. If he returns the arena will be even more dead than it was last night.
 
BradleyJD said:
I didn't mean a mid-season change. I meant if he hasn't been fired up to this year....why would he be after the year.
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Because this is the worst team in how many years? Worst start in MVC history. Worse results every year following the NCAA run.

I don't think he will be fired after this year, but I also don't think he's untouchable.
 
BradleyBrave said:
It will all depend on finances IMO. The lost revenue by declining attendance and lost season ticket revenue may offset or even exceed what a buyout would cost. If you're going to lose the money, you might as well lose it while turning around the program. If he returns the arena will be even more dead than it was last night.
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I've been saying this all along. Everyone is worried about the big buyout, which will pale in comparison to the lost ticket and booster revenue if BU continues to lose like they are. In fact, it's already happening. You only have to be in the arena to see it.
 
I know I am in the minority here, but.....just don't see how we are as horrible as everyone is saying. That does not mean I am happy with the results.
 
Disturbed said:
I've been saying this all along. Everyone is worried about the big buyout, which will pale in comparison to the lost ticket and booster revenue if BU continues to lose like they are. In fact, it's already happening. You only have to be in the arena to see it.
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This is also probably why there was no "pay to play" tourney last year and very little halftime entertainment this year. Probably to build a war chest.
 
Like I said previously, he will be back. Finances is one factor, but there will be a sense of pity for the guy that he couldn't achieve what he was supposed to achieve. I mean, TB going down because of a heart condition and SM off the table for the rest of the season, the administration can't help but feel a sense of compassion for poor ol' Jim and his team that can't get that ever elusive win.

Now, if he does come back next year, it'll be like a morgue. If he somehow pulls another rabbit out of the hat, he'll be back the year after that too.

My fuse is getting pretty darn short, but I'm not the AD nor the president. I'm also not a big money donor either. Only so much the big money donors can do.
 
theBUer said:
Like I said previously, he will be back. Finances is one factor, but there will be a sense of pity for the guy that he couldn't achieve what he was supposed to achieve. I mean, TB going down because of a heart condition and SM off the table for the rest of the season, the administration can't help but feel a sense of compassion for poor ol' Jim and his team that can't get that ever elusive win.

Now, if he does come back next year, it'll be like a morgue. If he somehow pulls another rabbit out of the hat, he'll be back the year after that too.

My fuse is getting pretty darn short, but I'm not the AD nor the president. Only so much the big money donors can do.
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You are insane if you think 'sense of pity' will keep a coach around. Give me a break. If 'sense of pity' had anything to do with anything, coaches would never get replaced.
 
wizard said:
Like many of you, I am in 100% agreement that a change must be made at the end of this season.

Our BB program is in a shambles with or without TB and SM. IMO, our record would have been somewhat better with them but overall, we would still be mired in the same mediocrity we have had for the past 8 or 9 years.

New recruits are great and it looks like we may have some good ones but new recruits cannot get the job done without the leadership, direction, motivation, tactical skill, teaching, and winning philosophy offensively and defensively of an outstanding coach.

While unwavering optimism and blind loyalty may be OK for awhile, these ultimately must give way to a recognition of what is truly happening to the Bradly BB program.

However painful, let's bite the bullet---make the change---and move on!!
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Thats MY dilema.....I am convinced we'd be MINIMUM 4-2 and quite possibly 5-1 with a full healthy roster. BUT...we aren't and how long do we keep saying "If only".

IF JL gets cut loose I'll understand...IF they keep him lets all just hope that things can get better.
 
dogsrus said:
Thats MY dilema.....I am convinced we'd be MINIMUM 4-2 and quite possibly 5-1 with a full healthy roster. BUT...we aren't and how long do we keep saying "If only".

IF JL gets cut loose I'll understand...IF they keep him lets all just hope that things can get better.
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How are you 'convinced'? I was certain we would have won most of our non-con games, but we had one of the worst non-con schedules in recent memory. MVC is a different story. Do you think at full strength we're better than WSU, MSU, or CU? I say no way.
 
bigdaddystuck said:
I know I am in the minority here, but.....just don't see how we are as horrible as everyone is saying. That does not mean I am happy with the results.
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OK...lets say the TEAM isn't as horrible as some might think...what about the ENTIRE experience.

Have you EVER seen so much apathy, disinterest and Shhhhhhhhhh....lack of noise NOT to mention the empty seats.

They could have done the ole...upper bowl please move down to the lower bowl deal.

In fact I hope they do that for the 5000 that show up Sunday for the Nationally telivised game.
 
BradleyBrave said:
You are insane if you think 'sense of pity' will keep a coach around. Give me a break. If 'sense of pity' had anything to do with anything, coaches would never get replaced.
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I don't feel any pity for the guy. This guy had an insane amount of expectation placed on him by the fan base, and now he pretty much has a ragtag team that thus far is 6 games in the hole in Valley play.

Administration is just going to throw him a bone, whether you or I think it is a boneheaded move is moot. They make the decisions, and they will live with the consequences.

There's also the convenient excuse of a major fundraising drive. Faculty and students who covet that new convergence center might balk at a buyout...
 
theBUer said:
I don't feel any pity for the guy. This guy had an insane amount of expectation placed on him by the fan base, and now he pretty much has a ragtag team that thus far is 6 games in the hole in Valley play.

Administration is just going to throw him a bone, whether you or I think it is a boneheaded move is moot. They make the decisions, and they will live with the consequences.

There's also the convenient excuse of a major fundraising drive. Faculty who covet that new convergence center might balk at a buyout...
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Faculty have nothing to do with a buyout. It's the president and trustees (AD will have little to do with the decision either). They're taking a loss one way or the other - Whether it's from empty seats at Carver and lost revenues from canceled season tickets, or from buying out the last year or two of the deal. There will be no 'bone throwing' because of pity or fear.
 
The main factor in favor of JL is we lost TB due to a new administrative policy. If this were a typical injury I'd have no sympathy for JL

Although the policy is not common, if it were implemented a few years ago, we don't lose TB this season. I think this places the AD in an odd place. First: we expect you to compete for championships. The a few months later: we've now changed our minds and decided that our athletes lives are now more important than winning so we're implementing a new policy. Now they are supposed to come back and say, we changed our minds again and winning really mattered? Who wants to work under that confusion?
 
BradleyBrave said:
How are you 'convinced'? I was certain we would have won most of our non-con games, but we had one of the worst non-con schedules in recent memory. MVC is a different story. Do you think at full strength we're better than WSU, MSU, or CU? I say no way.
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Just my gut feeling.....we really haven't been blownout save WSU. Sam makes the team better and Brown AND Sam makes us deeper and gives us 3 scoring options vs one. Teams couldn't focus on AW and it would make him even MORE a threat.

Full strength we compete with those 3....we beat 2 of 3 at home and steal one on the road. I thinks its WSU then CU,BU and MSU fighting for 2,3 and 4th. Again just MY thoughts from what I have seen.

As decent as DD has been he is no pg......Sam makes the snake move. The head got cut off and the body is not the same.

Again, with all that said, I'm as tired as the next guy as waiting for "what if."
 
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