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Top College Coaches Admit There's Cheating Going On

tornado

tornado

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All were top head coaches from Big 6 power conferences who answered honestly and anonymously...
and the answers are astounding and show the minimal degree to which most coaches respect the NCAA and it's rules...
In fact the results here show that the NCAA is a travesty and a bunch of buffoons who can't get much of anything right...

The answers were pretty astounding...
almost all thought many coaches cheat, committing major violations
...1/5 of the coaches say that at least 25% of programs are "committing major violations" or "committing felonies.''

All believe there are consistent, intentional violations of lesser rules...

and 60% of the coaches said that recruits and their families/handlers are asking for big time "something in return"...and all of them KNOW it is going on!!

One coach even related that it had just happened to him THAT MORNING!!

and...ALL of the coaches interviewed...."said they lost a player because they chose not to complete the transaction."

Biggest problem -- agents and runners -- making demands wanting paybacks and jobs, etc...

The finally - "NO one" thought the NCAA had any chance to succeed in getting the sport cleaned up!!
NOT ONE of the coaches interviewed!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415


AND get this for those of you who defend the NCAA and their fairness...

Many coaches said they.."thought the organization was little more than a
bureaucratic hypocrisy.
"The NCAA is stealing money from television and they don't want to kill the
golden goose,'' one said. "Look at the people on the NCAA committees. The
guys who are doing things the right way, they aren't on the NCAA
committees. Why is that?''

Then one coach said this about the NCAA investigators, almost all of whom are women...
"If the NCAA was serious, they'd hire someone who knew what they were
doing, not these women out here trying to get a husband.''


OMG ---- I rest my case about the NCAA!! not to mention they are hypocrites, too......
http://kevin-blackistone.fanhouse.com/2010/07/22/partners-in-hypocrisy-usc-and-ncaa/
 
Captain Renault: 'I'm shocked, shocked to find that coaches admit there is cheating going on in here!' :lol:
 
The NCAA is out of order, the players are out of order, the agents are out of order, the coaches are out of order, the schools are out of order, everyone's out of order!
 
There was once a day (a little before my time but Wizard will remember) when schools like Loyola, Texas-El Paso, Bradley, LIU, LaSalle, and even Beloit College could compete at a national level,
because there were no such things as the NCAA interfering, middle-men wanting payoffs, street agents directing recruits to the highest bidder, and the mega dollars being paid under the table...
Sure the game is bigger and in some ways better now, and the players have way more talent...but a couple things make me long for some aspects of those days...
-back then hard word, plus talent, plus good coaching could put your team among the elite, but now only one thing can do it -- money, the type of mega-bucks that can land the elite talent.
-and the fact that it is sad that only a small handful of schools, maybe 20, will ever have a chance to win a National Title or even make the Final Four because of the monetary factor.
 
It is sickening....


I wish they would have asked these coaches how many times they themselves had major violations or cheated....all of them?
 
tornado said:
There was once a day (a little before my time but Wizard will remember) when schools like Loyola, Texas-El Paso, Bradley, LIU, LaSalle, and even Beloit College could compete at a national level,
because there were no such things as the NCAA interfering, middle-men wanting payoffs, street agents directing recruits to the highest bidder, and the mega dollars being paid under the table...
Sure the game is bigger and in some ways better now, and the players have way more talent...but a couple things make me long for some aspects of those days...
-back then hard word, plus talent, plus good coaching could put your team among the elite, but now only one thing can do it -- money, the type of mega-bucks that can land the elite talent.
-and the fact that it is sad that only a small handful of schools, maybe 20, will ever have a chance to win a National Title or even make the Final Four because of the monetary factor.
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You really think there wasn't cheating and money playing big roles in college basketball way back then as well? Heck, it was the Wild Wild West as far as recruiting goes. You do know the story of how Chet Walker ended up at Bradley right?

I hate to break the news to you but things weren't anymore "pure" in the 50's and 60's than they are now. Certainly people who follow BU and the Squeaky stories know this right?

Im not ****ing anyone here. Just stating the facts. This stuff has been a part of the game forever. Affects every team.
 
come on....nobody cheated to get Chet Walker and if you say they did you're making it up...

Chet was simply given a high pressure sales-talk and ended at BU ..but nobody paid his street runner $10,000 in a manila envelop...
(btw -- lots of what Chet said to sell his book has come under serious question and his disaffection with some at BU causes one to wonder if his anti-BU agenda played a part in his fabrication of a few facts)
The worst cheating that went on then was the kids trying to make an extra buck by doing favors for the gambling crowd...
that would be unnoticable today with all the big league cheating that has supplanted it...
 
btw -- I have Chet's book "Long Time Coming" right in front of me, and I have already read it many times, sorta getting sick every time how he weaves just about every sentence in the book into a racism rant...even tying his high school coach's reluctance to make him a starter with Emmett Till, a Chicago boy, getting murdered in Mississippi..

Anyway the entire passage about being recruited by Joe Stowell and ending up at Bradley goes from page 60 to about page 63 then he was already at Bradley by the end of page 63.......
the rest of the book recounts events that happened after he was at BU.

Anyway -- he ties in some vague and ridiculous story about how an "evangelist" named Benson became friends of his family and advised him to go to Bradley.
Chet has a suspicion that maybe Benson worked behind the scenes to get Coach Stowell up there in Michigan to help drive Chet to the airport for his planned trip to Nebraska..only to drive him all the way to Bradley and then convince him to enroll there...

anyway Chet makes one veiled suggestion that maybe Benson got paid by Bradley but doesn't know....then claims his whole disaffection with Bradley was as a result of this........

"When I was inducted into the Bradley Hall of Fame in 1976, he (Coach
Stowell) didn't come to the ceremony though he was head coach by then.
I think he suspected I was going to reminisce in public and spill the beans."

That's it....he gives no more insight....lots of "I think"'s and "I wonder"'s in his book and almost nothing solid...
BTW -- Coach Joe Stowell has a dramatically different story to tell to counter Chet's ramblings that he kinda fabricated to sell his book, and Joe's version was actually covered by the PJ Star so it is pretty easy to refute, but nobody ever has.
In the end, the facts exist that Chet borrowed tons of money from some people at BU including Stowell after he left and not only never paid it back, but became enraged when it was even hinted that he should -- Chet thinking it was his "due" for all he had done for BU...and as payback for the "racism" (Chet's beliefs, not mine) he felt he was forced to endure while at BU...

outside of those very few and very vague words...there's never even been a single allegation that I know of that anyone cheated to get Chet Walker at Bradley......
 
tornado said:
btw -- I have Chet's book "Long Time Coming" right in front of me, and I have already read it many times, sorta getting sick every time how he weaves just about every sentence in the book into a racism rant...even tying his high school coach's reluctance to make him a starter with Emmett Till, a Chicago boy, getting murdered in Mississippi..

Anyway the entire passage about being recruited by Joe Stowell and ending up at Bradley goes from page 60 to about page 63 then he was already at Bradley by the end of page 63.......
the rest of the book recounts events that happened after he was at BU.

Anyway -- he ties in some vague and ridiculous story about how an "evangelist" named Benson became friends of his family and advised him to go to Bradley.
Chet has a suspicion that maybe Benson worked behind the scenes to get Coach Stowell up there in Michigan to help drive Chet to the airport for his planned trip to Nebraska..only to drive him all the way to Bradley and then convince him to enroll there...

anyway Chet makes one veiled suggestion that maybe Benson got paid by Bradley but doesn't know....then claims his whole disaffection with Bradley was as a result of this........

"When I was inducted into the Bradley Hall of Fame in 1976, he (Coach
Stowell) didn't come to the ceremony though he was head coach by then.
I think he suspected I was going to reminisce in public and spill the beans."

That's it....he gives no more insight....lots of "I think"'s and "I wonder"'s in his book and almost nothing solid...
BTW -- Coach Joe Stowell has a dramatically different story to tell to counter Chet's ramblings that he kinda fabricated to sell his book, and Joe's version was actually covered by the PJ Star so it is pretty easy to refute, but nobody ever has.
In the end, the facts exist that Chet borrowed tons of money from some people at BU including Stowell after he left and not only never paid it back, but became enraged when it was even hinted that he should -- Chet thinking it was his "due" for all he had done for BU...and as payback for the "racism" (Chet's beliefs, not mine) he felt he was forced to endure while at BU...

outside of those very few and very vague words...there's never even been a single allegation that I know of that anyone cheated to get Chet Walker at Bradley......
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So I trust you would be willing to call Chet Walker a liar to his face? FYI--I never said Bradley cheated to get Chet. But the story of how they got him wouldn't work in today's recruiting.

My point wasn't to condemn Chet, Coach Stowell, etc. It was to point out that today's game isn't any worse than it was in the 50's and 60's. Guys cheated in recruiting. Guys paid players. Players got paid, etc. There are just a lot more rules now than then. There wasn't "purity" in the good old days either.
 
Stowell never broke any rules in recruiting Walker, or anyone. If you have knowledge of something illegal that happened, then state it. But to bring a charge of cheating up against Stowell is insulting and ridiculous.
And to compare it to willful cheating and rules-breaking by current coaches, or to coaches who have been caught and punished in recent years, is equally insane.
 
So did you read what I just said?? -- Chet never even says anything in his book or anywhere else, that needs to be called a lie...
he actually NEVER makes any solid claim or allegation that Bradley did anything wrong...
...and if Chet thought they were doing something wrong, why did he go along with it 100%, enroll at Bradley, then
subsequently -- never make the slightest claim of impropriety even 50+ YEARS LATER???

S0, as I noted, the closest thing was to speculate that maybe the evangelist Benson might have been reimbursed some way for his efforts ("I wonder if he was paid..." is the essence of the comment) to sway Chet to Bradley, although Chet's story clearly notes that Benson wanted all the kids he dealt with to go to conservative private schools and Bradley was one he favored...even though all those other kids were NOT athletes.
It's the same as if a guidance counselor at a high school tells a student to check out Bradley, is that a violation??
NOTHING Chet ever says needs to be called a lie, since nothing he ever says puts Bradley under any suspicion of cheating.
 
ned said:
You really think there wasn't cheating and money playing big roles in college basketball way back then as well? Heck, it was the Wild Wild West as far as recruiting goes. You do know the story of how Chet Walker ended up at Bradley right?....
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These are your exact words....
if they weren't claiming cheating in the context of the recruitment of Chet Walker, then you sure chose your words unwisely, as that's exactly how I see it..
 
One last comment about Chet Walker....when the PJS called him to ask about his statements in the book, Chet readily admitted the words in his book were not exactly what he truly believed...
When given the chance, he did nothing but give praise to BU and the time he was in Peoria, although he later criticized the PJ Star for bringing up his debts.
"What has happened since his basketball career ended, though, hasn??™t been
as glorious. Walker went on to become a filmmaker in Hollywood and
produced an award-winning television documentary about Isiah Thomas??™
mother.
But he fell on hard times financially and called upon Stowell and other
Peorians for loans he never repaid.
Then in 1995, he wrote an autobiography called ??????Long Time Coming,??™??™ that
was critical of his time at Bradley, particularly of Coach Chuck Orsborn.
Walker portrayed Orsborn as a self-centered coach whose primary objective
was winning games and who cared little for the plight of Walker and other BU
black players trying to cope with the blatant racism of the day.

??????I think I came down a little too hard on Ozzie (Orsborn),??™??™ Walker told the
Journal Star upon the book??™s release. ??????Ozzie was a wonderful coach, but he
wasn??™t a very pleasant person to be around.??™???
Walker returned to speak at the BU preseason gala that fall.
"???Reflecting back on it, my whole experience in Peoria was very positive,??™??™ he
said at the time. ??????I wouldn??™t do it (over) any other way. I??™ve got a real
special feeling for the town.??™???
News of Walker??™s debts came to light publicly shortly thereafter in the Journal
Star.
When he was contacted eight years later to be interviewed for this story,
Walker refused to comment. ??????My character was assassinated by your paper,??™??™
he said.
Stowell, who said he had a ??????wonderful relationship??™??™ with Walker when he was
at BU, hasn??™t heard from him since.
??????We had him over to the house for about 150 meals,??™??™ Stowell said. ??????He liked
to come play with the kids and we were glad to have him. It??™s a shame it??™s
developed into what it??™s become the last 15 years.??™???
That??™s why Stowell??™s memories of Chet the Jet are of the 6-7 forward who
averaged 24.4 points at Bradley and 18.2 in a 13-year NBA career.
Said Walker at the conclusion of his gala speech: ??????I did a lot of growing up
while I was here and I really, really appreciate that. Bradley made the rest of
my life possible.??™??™
 
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