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MVC standings and RPIs- Bradley's RPI now up to 76

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Bradley's RPI is now up to 76, 38 spots ahead of Illinois State (RPI 114)

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Fun with numbers:

Approximating the math if we had won vs. WCU and Loyola, (and this estimate is approximate), our RPI would have gained to the point that we would be right behind Wichita St, tucked just inside the top 50.

Our conference strength of schedule is #1 in the Valley, indicating we've played the toughest Valley sked so far (by a slight margin) and stand to lose more than gain in SoS down the stretch.

Non-conference strength of schedules (via ESPN): Bradley is now the only team sub-100:
Bradley 45
Indiana St 103
Creighton 172
Northern Iowa 214
Missouri St 272
Drake 293
Wichita St 320
Illinois St 340
Southern Illinois 342
Evansville 345

Overall strength of schedules are improving:
Bradley 12 (to be honest, this number will be heading south and Bradley will need a solid BB to probably remain in the top 25 by the end)
Creighton 51
Indiana St 62
Northern Iowa 100
Missouri St 146
Drake 179
Wichita St 184
Evansville 222
Illinois St 236
Southern Illinois 256
 
Da Coach said:
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2010/conference/Missouri%20Valley

Bradley's RPI is now up to 76, 38 spots ahead of Illinois State (RPI 114)

Why do we have to continually bring up ISU and their schedule, their RPI, their opponents and so on and so on.....:roll:

ISU is 1-1 vs. the top 50...BU is 0-4
ISU is one game ahead of us in the standings
ISU has finished ahead of BU in the MVC the last couple years and has played in the MVC championship the last two years....

I'm not sticking up for them, I dislike ISU as much as anyone. All I'm saying is until BU actually beats ISU and starts finishing ahead of them in the MVC..... well maybe we shouldn't be to quick to criticize.
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I never said anything about their schedule.
Many Bradley fans want to know how Bradley's RPI stacks up against others in the MVC, especially ISU.
I suspect most BU fans would be surprised to know how far ahead of ISU Bradley is in RPI, that's why I made a brief mention of the comparison.

I am used to ISU fans here trying to stand up for their woeful schedule, but not Bradley fans. What gives?
 
Da Coach said:
I never said anything about their schedule.
Many Bradley fans want to know how Bradley's RPI stacks up against others in the MVC, especially ISU.
I suspect most BU fans would be surprised to know how far ahead of ISU Bradley is in RPI, that's why I made a brief mention of the comparison.

I am used to ISU fans here trying to stand up for their woeful schedule, but not Bradley fans. What gives?
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Sorry if I made it sound like I was singling you out DC...not my intent...and I am in NO WAY trying to stand up for ISU's horrible scheduling. I completely agree that for the sake of the MVC they need to get their act together and schedule better.

If fans want to compare BU to ISU in RPI or anything else, that is their choice and there is nothing wrong with that. Personally, I don't really care what ISU does until it's time to play them. Just two different perspectives I guess.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
If only if only.
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You know, I wish people wouldn't keep harping on that. I personally think those losses did us more good in the long run as it taught the team how to win and close out close games, now even on the road. Maybe we don't beat SIU at their place and/or hang on to beat Indiana St. at home without some "growing pains". Maybe we become complacent and lose games like this late in the season if we don't experience the early season pain we went through. I'd much rather get those types of games out of the way early and finish strong, with some momentum that might actually carry us through the Valley tournament.

Now before I get flamed, I certainly don't disagree we should have won at least a couple of those games. However, and this is a VERY important point, I contend we still would need to win the Valley tournament to get an NCAA Tournament birth even if we did win the three games we should have. Illinois is our only good OOC win, and even that's losing it's luster by the day!
 
Bravesfan said:
You know, I wish people wouldn't keep harping on that. I personally think those losses did us more good in the long run as it taught the team how to win and close out close games, now even on the road. Maybe we don't beat SIU at their place and/or hang on to beat Indiana St. at home without some "growing pains". Maybe we become complacent and lose games like this late in the season if we don't experience the early season pain we went through. I'd much rather get those types of games out of the way early and finish strong, with some momentum that might actually carry us through the Valley tournament.

Now before I get flamed, I certainly don't disagree we should have won at least a couple of those games. However, and this is a VERY important point, I contend we still would need to win the Valley tournament to get an NCAA Tournament birth even if we did win the three games we should have. Illinois is our only good OOC win, and even that's losing it's luster by the day!
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The main thing I would argue here is if we win the 3 home meltdowns and go on to win the Valley we are a bubble NCAA team. So yes, ALOT of ifs but thats what has some upset a bit.

Those losses MADE winning the Valley Tourney are ONLY shot.......
 
dogsrus said:
The main thing I would argue here is if we win the 3 home meltdowns and go on to win the Valley we are a bubble NCAA team. So yes, ALOT of ifs but thats what has some upset a bit.

Those losses MADE winning the Valley Tourney are ONLY shot.......
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Very true, but there's nothing we can do about those three games now. Yes, we NEED to win the Valley tournament to make the NCAA Tournament. Agreed here.

I still think though that even if we won those three games the selection committee would find a way to keep us out. Think of this. If they kept Creighton out last year with an even better non-conference profile than we have this year (wins over George Mason, New Mexico and ranked Xavier), they would probably find a way to keep us out too, especially if we finish two or three games behind UNI. I think winning the MVCT is the only sure way we would get in anyway.
 
Bravesfan said:
Very true, but there's nothing we can do about those three games now. Yes, we NEED to win the Valley tournament to make the NCAA Tournament. Agreed here.

I still think though that even if we won those three games the selection committee would find a way to keep us out. Think of this. If they kept Creighton out last year with an even better non-conference profile than we have this year (wins over George Mason, New Mexico and ranked Xavier), they would probably find a way to keep us out too, especially if we finish two or three games behind UNI. I think winning the MVCT is the only sure way we would get in anyway.
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Could be but I still would prefer to be in the mix and take our chances. Even getting talked about as a bubble team gives us good pub.
 
In all honesty I think the only way we get back into the talk is if we win out the rest of schedule and keep our loss column in the single digits. With the BB that gives us an even 20 wins with 9 losses. That looks much more impressive given it's the regular season only. Then we really start to make a case if we win 2 and play well in the MVC championship game. We'd be 22 and 10 with quite a hot streak on our resume. The only good thing I can say about our loses is that they are clumped together which tells the story as it is...we were in a slump.

If you have 2 teams that are both 22-10:

Team A has been winning at a consistent rate of about 2 games for each lose

as compared to

Team B that lost 4 or 5 out of 6 or 7 games early in the season and finished with a 13 game winning streak

I think the one with the streak gets the nod because it would bee seen as playing better recently.

In all honesty I think we have to come pretty dang close to winning out the rest of the season to even be talked about for NCAA. I don't think 21-11 gets it but gets a nice seed for the NIT. Honestly, the exact scenario I drew up where we go 22-10 is the only way I see a good chance (40-50%) of us getting into the NCAA through at-large. But then again I'm no expert...just gut feeling. Maybe the pac-10 being awful this year will open some more spots for mid-majors.....haha nvm

By the way...if we do win out we'd have a conference record of 14-4. Is that good enough for 2nd or is that a 3rd place finish this year do you think?
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
In all honesty I think the only way we get back into the talk is if we win out the rest of schedule and keep our loss column in the single digits. With the BB that gives us an even 20 wins with 9 losses. That looks much more impressive given it's the regular season only. Then we really start to make a case if we win 2 and play well in the MVC championship game. We'd be 22 and 10 with quite a hot streak on our resume. The only good thing I can say about our loses is that they are clumped together which tells the story as it is...we were in a slump.

If you have 2 teams that are both 22-10:

Team A has been winning at a consistent rate of about 2 games for each lose

as compared to

Team B that lost 4 or 5 out of 6 or 7 games early in the season and finished with a 13 game winning streak

I think the one with the streak gets the nod because it would bee seen as playing better recently.

In all honesty I think we have to come pretty dang close to winning out the rest of the season to even be talked about for NCAA. I don't think 21-11 gets it but gets a nice seed for the NIT. Honestly, the exact scenario I drew up where we go 22-10 is the only way I see a good chance (40-50%) of us getting into the NCAA through at-large. But then again I'm no expert...just gut feeling. Maybe the pac-10 being awful this year will open some more spots for mid-majors.....haha nvm

By the way...if we do win out we'd have a conference record of 14-4. Is that good enough for 2nd or is that a 3rd place finish this year do you think?
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2nd by ourselves guaranteed unless MSU wins out or WSU wins out except when they play us. UNI won't lose 4 games...
 
I think it's quite possible UNI will end up with 4 losses. However, I doubt anyone else can finish with just 4 losses.

UNI has home games left against Drake, WSU, SIU, CU and IlSU.
They have road games at MSU, Drake, Bradley, and Evansville.

I can see UNI losing at MSU, Bradley, and maybe Drake, but probably not UE. I also think they can get upset at home by 1 or 2 of these teams-Wichita State, SIU, Creighton, or IlSU.
 
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