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Final: ISU 59 Drake 69

tornado said:
given the intentional design ISU had to go out and select the worst, 300+ RPI opponents, just to pad their win total...
why is it so odd they might want to keep all the starters in a game that's already lost just inflate a few stats when that's all that's left to do in an otherwise embarrassing defeat?

I offer just this...
with 55 seconds left and ISU behind by 15 points...
OE was still launching 3-pointers...

When BU was up by that in the 2nd half yesterday -- they had Ryan Phillips and the gang in the game...

Eldridge also jacked yet another 3-pt attempt with 24 seconds left and behind 13..
seriously - is there ever game when maybe Blake Mishler and Matt Coates can get some PT??
I guess not when King O is getting rewarded with all 20 minutes in the 2nd half after that 1sty half performance......
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Are you really comparing being UP 20 points, with being DOWN 20 points? God forbid a team try to win a game when they are losing late... I guess some coaches don't like to give up ever in hopes of a miracle... stranger things have happened... heard of Reggie Miller? Other coaches throw in the towel to get their walk-ons important PT!!!
 
yeah i waiting for reggie miller time while game casting this. O obv knows he is 8th is scoring.....that isn't POY material. he had to keep shooting.

is it the general consensus that Osiris is very cocky and full of himself? my cousin is an acquaintance and says he is quiet and more on the humble side...as well as a great guy.

i have never met him...anyone?


I lost all my respect for ISU's game plan last year in the tourney in their first round game. I remember oguchi and osiris launching with 30 secs on the clock when up single digits late in the game. i could not believe that jankovich found this acceptable!! a few of them happened to fall to seal the game..but whatever, i have never seen that in my life.
 
tornado said:
given the intentional design ISU had to go out and select the worst, 300+ RPI opponents, just to pad their win total...
why is it so odd they might want to keep all the starters in a game that's already lost just inflate a few stats when that's all that's left to do in an otherwise embarrassing defeat?

I offer just this...
with 55 seconds left and ISU behind by 15 points...
OE was still launching 3-pointers...

When BU was up by that in the 2nd half yesterday -- they had Ryan Phillips and the gang in the game...

Eldridge also jacked yet another 3-pt attempt with 24 seconds left and behind 13..
seriously - is there ever game when maybe Blake Mishler and Matt Coates can get some PT??
I guess not when King O is getting rewarded with all 20 minutes in the 2nd half after that 1sty half performance......
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We also get Ryan Phillips in the game during critical first half minutes so not sure if you can use him as an example.
 
tornado said:
given the intentional design ISU had to go out and select the worst, 300+ RPI opponents, just to pad their win total...
why is it so odd they might want to keep all the starters in a game that's already lost just inflate a few stats when that's all that's left to do in an otherwise embarrassing defeat?

I offer just this...
with 55 seconds left and ISU behind by 15 points...
OE was still launching 3-pointers...

When BU was up by that in the 2nd half yesterday -- they had Ryan Phillips and the gang in the game...

Eldridge also jacked yet another 3-pt attempt with 24 seconds left and behind 13..
seriously - is there ever game when maybe Blake Mishler and Matt Coates can get some PT??
I guess not when King O is getting rewarded with all 20 minutes in the 2nd half after that 1sty half performance......
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So UAB should have packed it in down 24 midway through the 2nd half last night at SMU, huh? Bet they're real glad they didn't have you to advise them, as they somehow, someway found a way to overcome certain defeat to win 63-62.

Heck I remember a game at SIU arena...back in the '90s when we were down 17 with 5 minutes left and won on a 40 footer by AP at the buzzer...glad Molinary didn't do what you would have that night...
 
tornado said:
When BU was up by that in the 2nd half yesterday -- they had Ryan Phillips and the gang in the game...
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At the only BU game I was in town to attend this season (SIU) they had Ryan Phillips in the game in the 1st half, and also in the 2nd half when we were trying to hang onto the lead. I remember about 1 minute of playing time and 3 personal fouls being the result...oh and a loss that may prove to be very harmful...
 
Just when you think you've heard it all.....I'm all for ISU bashing :) but lets be reasonable.

No one is "paddding stats"....they are trying to win the game. Its what you are taught from an early age....play to the buzzer.

Mercy..............
 
Entertaining final two minutes. You usually don't get that with a 19 point ballgame and 2:30 left. The Drake players didn't seem too happy with how phyisical the game got.

It seems like ISU should have started pressing earlier. It brought a spark to their team. Drake had only two turnovers in the first 37 minutes.
 
making up 17 points over the final 10 minutes is hardly the same as finding your team behind by 15 with 55 seconds to go...or 13 with 20 seconds to go..

I cannot find in all of NCAA history, any game where a team made up a 15 point deficit in the final minute...you are welcome to try, I'd love to see if it has ever happened.
Now, maybe some ISU fans, like the ones who post here, think it's commonplace to expect they might still be able to win but surely when they find themselves down 13 with only 20 seconds to go...even the most naive ISU fan surely will agree with me.
This game was unwinnable...at least over the final minute or two....
I am not trying to tell anyone else how to coach their team, but I sure can see what's happening and have the free right to comment on it.

down 19 with 2:25 left
down 17 with 1:48 left
down 15 with 0:55 left
down 13 with 0:20 left

even one of the most monumental collapses I have ever seen....the Arizona loss to Illinois in the 2005 Elite Eight, it took four minutes for Arizona to lose a 15 point lead.


---looks like I am not alone in thinking those stat padding shots had a purpose...
even no less an "expert" as Kyle Whelliston tweeted about OE tossing
"throw-ups" for the scouts in attendance

"Drake has this sewn up...52-39 at 5:44
Osiris is making throwups right now...
Scouts are here to see him
Good thing this game is almost over.
0:19 left, Drake up 69-58. If you watched,
or followed the tweets, you know this was a beatdown."
 
I cannot believe you are still arguing this point...buuuuuuut you are so...

ISU should have just given up because NO ONE had ever come back from that far back before! It's never happened so why even try!!! Why does it matter "if it has never happened"???? How is that relevant to trying to win a game? I, for one, like my teams to fight this the end. Apparently you would rather have your feel good story walk-ons in at the end of a losing effort. Sorry I like my teams to try to win games even when the odds are stacked against them!

I guess it's a good thing Obama didn't give up his race for the presidency since no blank man had ever been President... I guess it's a good thing the Mets didn't give up in 1969 when they were down double digit games in the standings in the last month...

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

BTW- it appears to be the majority of BU fans posting these things on here... NOT ISU fans...
 
still?? That was only my 2nd post on the subject, so you have me beat there still rebutting....
OE was performing for the scouts in attendance...did you not read the official report from KW?


btw the comment from OE was funny...
"I've been trying lately to play within our offense and look for good shots, I guess.
That was the thing holding me back. I have to go back to playing and if I have a shot just take it."

so......he's only been trying to play within the offense lately?
Hasn't he been trying to do that at all before?
And playing within the offense & looking for good shots was holding him back,
so now he's gonna just launch, good shot or not?:-o:-o:-o
 
I will be watching now to see if any teams in the future still have starters in and are shooting 3's when they are down by 13 with 20 seconds left. I don't think I'll have to wait too long to find one.

Oh and UAB was down 24, not 17. BU only had 5 minutes to make up 17, not 10 minutes...and about 3:40 to make up 15 in that game at SIU. Back in the '70's, BU rallied from 10 down in the final 30 seconds to force OT against St. Louis...that was before the 3-point shot. Missouri did the same against Colorado in the 1990 Big 8 tournament, but then lost in double OT.
 
Nacho said:
I guess it's a good thing Obama didn't give up his race for the presidency since no blank man had ever been President...
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Go figure...

With Drake's win over ISU yesterday, after 7 weeks into the MVC season BU and Drake are tied at 3-4 in the league.

Good for Drake, not so good for BU. :(

With consecutive wins over SIU, MSU and ISU, Drake fans could state their team is better positioned for a MVC run than BU with their losses to MSU and UNI, and, their win over MSU.

Looks like positions #3-#9 are up for grabs this year in the Valley, and perhaps evern #2, although WSU looks to be a notch above the other 4-3/3-4teams.

Will be interesting to see which team, Drake or Bradley, has the better LH of the season.
 
As bradley fans I would think most of you have seen the value of extending the game. How many times have you guys had big leads and blown them this year. Turns out the other team "padding stats" lead to a victory for them. Maybe we will pad our consecutive years with making post season play and 20 win seasons by playing in the CBI this year.
 
Down 19 points, with a little over 2 minutes to go, there are few, if any, coaches who would still have had his starters in the game at that point.
How much of a lead or deficit does it take?

By the way- Bradley has not lost a 19 point lead in 2 or 3 minutes.
 
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Padding stats dont exactly gain the coach much. The other thing to consider is that the players were in and caused the problem of being down 20. So why not make them finish what they started and maybe figure some things out. Who knows maybe create some type of momentum for the next game. I guarantee thats why O was in the game. He has struggled mightly lately and really found his shot in the second half. Putting him on the bench while he is playing well is the same reasoning most of you bitch about Les and substituting players while they are rolling.
 
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