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Bob Knight Trashes John Calipari

tornado said:
yup..he either beat it out of them or choked it out of 'em...
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Quite frankly, t, I'm a little surprised your so anti-RMK in this matter. Isn't JC the type of coach that should be punished by the NCAA for cheating, but isn't because he's such a money maker? RMK is your dog is this fight.
 
if I had to allow my own son to play on a basketball court with either of these three men coaching him...Knight, Calipari, or Bruce Pearl...
I would take Calipari 1000 out or 1000 times.
Knight's record stands for itself...
 
It's very simple about Knight.

He wants to win. He built his program about finding the players that fit his team. He did not take a "best available" approach when it came to finding players. The type of players that end up being stars in the NBA are the same types of players who don't fit in Knight's system. NBA stars generally need the ball and the offense to run through them. That translates very poorly in the Knight style of play.

I'm not saying Knight's style of coaching and recruiting is right or wrong, but I think the recruits that went to Indiana were, on a whole, less concerned about a basketball career after college than, say, the top 50 recruits, on a whole.
 
tornado said:
if I had to allow my own son to play on a basketball court with either of these three men coaching him...Knight, Calipari, or Bruce Pearl...
I would take Calipari 1000 out or 1000 times.
Knight's record stands for itself...
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You'd want your son to play for a proven cheater (JC), over a guy (BK) who teaches discipline and respect. To each his own.

Again, I go back to JC being everything you speak out against in BCS-level sports. A proven cheater (the only coach to have Final Four appearances vacated at TWO schools) who gets a slap on the wrist because he's a money maker for the Man.
 
I just wouldn't want to chance my son getting choked or having his esteem torn down...

who are the Bob Knight disciples (assistants under him) who are still coaching..?
I know of Pat Knight, and Mike Davis who's at UAB but was run out of IU..
all the rest (Jim Crews, Royce Waltman, Dan Dakich, Bob Donewald, etc) are all gone..how come?
Coach K has at least 6 ex-assistants still actively coaching...
 
tornado said:
if I had to allow my own son to play on a basketball court with either of these three men coaching him...Knight, Calipari, or Bruce Pearl...
I would take Calipari 1000 out or 1000 times.
Knight's record stands for itself...
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And as asinine as it sounds on the surface, you're right. Calipari is scum but he's giving my kid the best chance to turn pro and make money. Business decision.
 
tornado said:
I just wouldn't want to chance my son getting choked or having his esteem torn down...

who are the Bob Knight disciples (assistants under him) who are still coaching..?
I know of Pat Knight, and Mike Davis who's at UAB but was run out of IU..
all the rest (Jim Crews, Royce Waltman, Dan Dakich, Bob Donewald, etc) are all gone..how come?
Coach K has at least 6 ex-assistants still actively coaching...
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that says more about your son that Bobby Knight. How many young people (players, managers, general students, etc.) has Knight had contact with over his years compared to the number of students he's attacked.

Don't get me wrong, he should NEVER put a hand on a player in an attacking manner, and countless coaches manage to get through an entire career without an assault charge. But the odds are good that, if you show respect, you won't get attacked by Bob Knight.



TAS, that's a good call, strictly speaking in terms of business though.
 
Can we agree that the message was right but the messenger has some qualities that a few people find disturbing. I'm not a RMK fan at all but I like it that he called out KY. Why not? Just because the message came from an arrogant egotistical bastard does not mean he did not hit the nail on the head this time. When someone calls out the NCAA on an issue of morality and people listen, to me that is a good thing.
 
SFP said:
Can we agree that the message was right but the messenger has some qualities that a few people find disturbing. I'm not a RMK fan at all but I like it that he called out KY. Why not? Just because the message came from an arrogant egotistical bastard does not mean he did not hit the nail on the head this time. When someone calls out the NCAA on an issue of morality and people listen, to me that is a good thing.
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That's what I was trying to say, but failed.
 
tornado said:
I just wouldn't want to chance my son getting choked or having his esteem torn down...

who are the Bob Knight disciples (assistants under him) who are still coaching..?
I know of Pat Knight, and Mike Davis who's at UAB but was run out of IU..
all the rest (Jim Crews, Royce Waltman, Dan Dakich, Bob Donewald, etc) are all gone..how come?
Coach K has at least 6 ex-assistants still actively coaching...
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ARE YOU SERIOUS HERE? Coach K is a RMK disciple!!! Come on T. I hate night, but everything he said here is correct, and Calipari is far worse for the sport than Knight ever could be. And you're argument that Knight had 5 star players his last 15 years??? Your nut's! He never had anywhere near that at TT! T, you're argument here is just throwing out stuff thats blatantly wrong.
 
amckillip said:
you're argument that Knight had 5 star players his last 15 years??? Your nut's! He never had anywhere near that at TT! T, you're argument here is just throwing out stuff thats blatantly wrong.
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If those were 5 star players then they were the worst I've ever seen. I'd say they were 3 and 4 stars at best...... and they were over rated. Knight probably did more with average talent than any coach in history, IMO. The man could coach (at least back in the day when kids listened and respected authority and were happy just to be getting a free quality education at a first class institution).
 
I just happen to hold the lowest part of my admiration scale for bullies...especially people who bully children, teenagers, women....
then throw in a little arrogance and stoopidity and all those 900 wins are about as meaningful in my assessment of his character, as those rushing yards in your assesment of OJ Simpson's character.

When a reporter asked Bobby Knight for a comment about the incident where Knight was taped chocking Neil Reed...Knight said..
"...he may have grabbed the player around the neck for "motivational reasons." Further explaining the incident, Coach Knight reminded the press ..."who's heard about Neil Reed in the past three years?"

Much of the press has helped protect their darling Bobby, but a few have spoken out about the guy and his ".. record of punching a Puerto Rican police officer, kicking and head-butting players, and allegedly assaulting a stranger in a Bloomington restaurant parking lot"....and more.
You can worship who you want, but where freedom of religion reigns, I choose not to worship a bully and a thug who has the manners and persona of Attila the Hun.
 
I don't think anyone is "worshipping" Knight. And I think everyone can agree he is a bully and a thug. I would even say he has no right to trash Calipari as he is equally easy to trash for his own numerous character flaws and "incidents".

However, there is no denying his ability to mold a group of average players into a successful team (at least during the first 25-30 years of his coaching career). I would argue that he may be the best "one game" coach in history. If you had to pick a coach to win just one game he is definately in the top five all time.
 
when has he ever had a group of "average players"...certainly not at IU, but that's my point..
once he went to Texas Tech and was no longer getting players everyone else wanted, then he wasn't exactly molding them into much of anything...
some left, some underperformed, some still got slapped around...
Knight even stooped to doing a silly, scripted, phony "reality show" adding to his baloon-boy/I-just-wanna-be-admired-and-worshipped persona...
and in the end, Bobby burned out and quit mid-season when he realized he couldn't go anywhere with "average players".
Sarah Palin and others get ripped for being quitters, but Knight stays just long enough to win 900, so he gets honored and rewarded with a TV gig.
 
tornado said:
Chair chucking choker chides cheater
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/bob_knight_takes_a_shot_at_joh.html
http://www.wjbdradio.com/index.php?f=sports&sub=single&id=6654

btw-- of all the high school All Americans and great players and great scorers that he recruited and who played at IU,
name one who played more than a year or two under Knight, who had a nice NBA career and averaged more than 10 ppg?

and what was the latest GSR (Graduation Success Rate) & Federal Graduation Rate at Texas Tech that covered Bob Knight's players?
Could the 22% be right? I thought he always graduated his players?
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/nH8egsr2009/700.pdf
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Right Message! Wrong Messenger!!
 
Knight reinterated his belief today during the ESPN broadcast....that no matter what happens at any institution, the NCAA penalties should be laid on the coach and not on the school or the players.
I find this to be very weird...especially given what just happened to Indiana....that they knowingly hired a cheater, cheered wildly when he landed 5-star players and wins, and backed the guy 1000% even when the evidence was clear.....until they knew it was best to distance themselves from him.

Many, many other schools, like USC, UConn, etc..have shown a pattern of encouraging the coach to cheat, and help to hide facts when he does..

So I think Knight's opinions are really silly and would result in schools going hog wild with cheating, knowing that they won't be held accountable....all they have to do, like Kentucky did, would be to jettison one guy then hire another.

Knight also continued ad nauseum, his endless tendency to whine about refs and how little they know and how bad of a job they routinely do.
I'm sure Bobby could do a better job...
 
tornado said:
Knight reinterated his belief today during the ESPN broadcast....that no matter what happens at any institution, the NCAA penalties should be laid on the coach and not on the school or the players.
I find this to be very weird...especially given what just happened to Indiana....that they knowingly hired a cheater, cheered wildly when he landed 5-star players and wins, and backed the guy 1000% even when the evidence was clear.....until they knew it was best to distance themselves from him.

Many, many other schools, like USC, UConn, etc..have shown a pattern of encouraging the coach to cheat, and help to hide facts when he does..

So I think Knight's opinions are really silly and would result in schools going hog wild with cheating, knowing that they won't be held accountable....all they have to do, like Kentucky did, would be to jettison one guy then hire another.

Knight also continued ad nauseum, his endless tendency to whine about refs and how little they know and how bad of a job they routinely do.
I'm sure Bobby could do a better job...
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T? I hate Bobby Knight, and growing up in Indiana, thats a tough position to defend. But his opinions on NCAA basketball are both inflammatory, and reformatory, exactly what the NCAA needs to have on ESPN right now. You of all people should be hoping Knights opinions get more airplay, as they punish all the programs you continually bash here...
 
During todays Butler/Xavier game, Knight stated that he wouldn't put a man on the inbounder during a last second half court shot. He said he would put a man around the 3 point line as a free floater to attempt a pass deflection. Kind of gives Les a 2nd vote of confidence I guess LOL.

Jason
 
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