Not really a revolution, but midmajors are concerned about exclusion from the NCAA pot of gold--
http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_12079487
http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_12079487
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Midmajors revolt
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tornado
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here's a solution...
since so many of the BCS guys end up stealing coaches from the mid-major ranks, especially the Valley (Self, Weber, Turgeon, Lickliter, etc...)
then when a midmajor hires a coach, be sure there is a ONE million $$ buyout built in...plus a clause that says they have to schedule home and home for a decade!
that way, if the biggies want to steal your coach, they have to make it worth your while.
since so many of the BCS guys end up stealing coaches from the mid-major ranks, especially the Valley (Self, Weber, Turgeon, Lickliter, etc...)
then when a midmajor hires a coach, be sure there is a ONE million $$ buyout built in...plus a clause that says they have to schedule home and home for a decade!
that way, if the biggies want to steal your coach, they have to make it worth your while.
I like that! That way the BCS "club" will have to pay a bit more to steal one of our coaches, while at the same time the said team gets a chance to play and beat a quality BCS team for years to come.
Now I am not saying that there should be a fixed amount of mid-majors that are awarded at-large bids each year just to fulfill some quota. But the fact that there are usually two or three quality mid-majors that are passed up each year in favor of mediocre BCS teams is a problem that needs to be addressed. When you have teams like Creighton and San Diego St that did everything asked for by going out and playing and beating quality non-conference teams each year and still getting passed up by BCS teams that don't deserve to be there, it shows that the problem still exists. So kudos to these coaches for meeting to see what, if anything can be done.
Let's not get carried away with hamstringing the coaches here. The big problem is with the BCS schools, CBS, ESPN and the NCAA. How can the mid-majors fight the money trail? The mid-majors will have to collectively start the fight by lobbying, their state government where the majority of the BCS schools receive funding, the federal government to start holding hearings on the subject and thus start a PR offensive that will hurt the big boys. Until then they have no incentive to change their behavior. Imagine if congress and or the state threaten to take away their funding from them for collusion and anti-trust. In politics nothing has to be proven.:lol:
While withholding funding for BCS schools for collusion sounds good in this context, I can't say that hamstringing our public education system because of basketball is really a positive solution.
I love "mid major" basketball as much as the next guy. And it makes me mad as hell that we (mid majors) continually get the short end of the stick. but do we really think that hurting state school budgets will negatively impact their basketball programs? They know where their revenue comes from, they'll just siphon money from other non-revenue generating programs.
I love "mid major" basketball as much as the next guy. And it makes me mad as hell that we (mid majors) continually get the short end of the stick. but do we really think that hurting state school budgets will negatively impact their basketball programs? They know where their revenue comes from, they'll just siphon money from other non-revenue generating programs.
houstontxbrave
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Government intervention.. ugh. But a nice lawsuit wouldnt hurt and would help open up some information on the NCAA.
But this whole thing is drifting towards what they have in D1 football. BCS and then everyone else.
We will see in the next few years a BCS only tourney and a separate everyone else tourney. The NCAA, CBS and ESPN do not want or need the non BCS's of the world and they are without telling us directly showing that with the past few NCAA tourneys.
A lawsuit/injunction is a step that needs to be taken.
TheAsianSensation
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Here's the problem. College sports is a business.
Each BCS team has two goals:
1) Make $$$$ (home games, TV revenue, exposure)
2) Win (Duh. Winning, making NCAA tournaments, etc)
Each thing they do with their non-conference schedule has to benefit one of these 2 things.
Mid-majors are the worst possible type of teams for them to schedule to meet these 2 goals.
To expect BCS schools to schedule mid majors is foolish, because it cuts down on their bottom line. After all, this is a business.
So, the golden question is: What can be done to "force" BCS schools to give mid majors a chance? Or does the responsibility lie with the selection committee to choose mid majors teams with "inferior" resumes?
Each BCS team has two goals:
1) Make $$$$ (home games, TV revenue, exposure)
2) Win (Duh. Winning, making NCAA tournaments, etc)
Each thing they do with their non-conference schedule has to benefit one of these 2 things.
Mid-majors are the worst possible type of teams for them to schedule to meet these 2 goals.
To expect BCS schools to schedule mid majors is foolish, because it cuts down on their bottom line. After all, this is a business.
So, the golden question is: What can be done to "force" BCS schools to give mid majors a chance? Or does the responsibility lie with the selection committee to choose mid majors teams with "inferior" resumes?
I say, let's be selfish and worry about ourselves. We have no reason to be negative "just because Creighton..."
We had out shot vs National (champ/runner-up) MSU and did not get it done. We were leading the MVC for a while, but did not get it done. Let's get better and work smarter this summer, work in our great new recruits and have a season worthy of our eventual new facilities!
We had out shot vs National (champ/runner-up) MSU and did not get it done. We were leading the MVC for a while, but did not get it done. Let's get better and work smarter this summer, work in our great new recruits and have a season worthy of our eventual new facilities!
Agreed about the lawsuit over government intervention idea. Let the government concentrate on the economy and our security, and let the courts deal with the NCAA which is nothing more than big money entertainment.
I think we got a taste of that "everyone else" tournament with this year's CIT tournament. It was a quality tournament full of quality teams, just not the "high end" teams associated with the NCAA Tournament. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if this tournament was established as the first step toward a BCS/non-BCS structure in basketball.
The good news is under this system, Bradley has a good chance to be the North Carolina of D1-AA, that is IF we get recruits even half as good as what we are getting now!
MacabreMob
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I have hope Barack will step in and spread the wealth around.
I have hope Barack will step in and spread the wealth around.
Why not? He's doing this everywhere else!
I have hope Barack will step in and spread the wealth around.
Novel idea mob, taxem. Any bcs school caught recruiting 4 or more 3 star + recruits must play one nonbcs school on the road, 3 or more 4 star + recruits the same and 2 or more 5 star you get the death penality, 2 nonbcs road games. I think this system would also eliminate the bogus practice rivals has of downgrading stars for nonbcs recruits and upgradeing those who commit to bcs schools...
leebiddlecome
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Why make it harder for someone to further their career and make a lot more money?
What if the NCAA created tiers based on the previous year's RPI, say 4 tiers which is roughly 85 teams. You then have to schedule 2 non-conf games against each tier totalling 6 games. This gives every team a chance to play teams from every level and prevents the BCS schools from ignoring the littlest guys. Let's face it, even BU tries to ignore the lower schools just the same as the power conferences do. Besides the tournament we saw UMKC and FGCU, the only truly weak program we scheduled was SEMO.
houstontxbrave
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I am not a Tom Penders fan but I have heard him repeatedly on his radio show say the only way to get a somewhat level playing field is the NCAA not only regulate the non conference schedules but the number of road games a team plays non conference.
That is a great idea but I doubt the NCAA will ever regulate anything in terms of scheduling for BCS schools. The NCAA does not want a level playing field.
They want every atlarge to be BCS and use the smoke and mirrors for the non BCS to schedule up and win every game.. .and then and only then will we even think about giving you an atlarge berth.
That is a great idea but I doubt the NCAA will ever regulate anything in terms of scheduling for BCS schools. The NCAA does not want a level playing field.
They want every atlarge to be BCS and use the smoke and mirrors for the non BCS to schedule up and win every game.. .and then and only then will we even think about giving you an atlarge berth.
I know in theory that sounds like a good idea, but I think the government has more important things to do than waste time discussing how to get a couple of more mid-major teams into the NCAA Tournament.
This made me laugh. Where were they before the economy cracked? I do not think that a little congressional meeting with the media on the NCAA would do much in taxing our government leader's brains. They spend more time raising money then anything else and this econmic mess will not change that but may even increase the fund raising activity. I'd like the non-BCS schools to help them a bit and perhaps help them find the time for economic issues and a little bit of time for them.
Are people really counting on our politicians to get us out of this mess? Now that is scary.:roll:
I've said this before... They were dealing with baseball on capital hill... They can deal with college basketball. The threat of anti-trust lawsuits can influence legislation, and the force of politics combined with the legal system could bring all parties together to work out a more equitable solution. Our politicians and judges/lawyers aren't so inept that they can't prevent what this all really amounts to: interstate fraud and a form of oligopoly.