Postgame thread- BU 60 Wichita State 58

[SFP]

Nope! I wouldn't. The decision to RS should be a personal decision, not a team-based decision. I would be selfish and cautious at this point -- take the FULL extra year to play and use the extra year at school to further my education for free. JMO

Again I agree with you! Also, AW, even if 100% healthy will need a few weeks to get back into game shape. You can be in great cardio condition but playing basketball uses your whole body and it takes a bit to get into basketball shape regardless. Could he help us this year if 100%. No doubt but to play for a few games this year I would suspect would not be in his best interest.

 

[CABUFan]

DC, your first paragraph is correct. The circle would not have mattered on that throw in,but that does not change the fact that David did indeed run over a legal screen.

Paragraph two: On a back screen where the defender can not see the screener he MUST give the defender one step. NOT so on a screen to the side or front. He must maintain legal guarding postion. We do not do a very good job of setting screens and haven't for several years. The defender can not be moving sideways when the contact occurs. He must be in legal guarding position and you are not when sliding and contact occurs. In your second and third situations you should only see a foul if someone gains an advantage. Most of the time an advantage is not gained ,hence no whistle. I agree with you, there shouldn't be whistles on all contact but there should be where someone gains an advantage. MOst of the time when the defender comes into contact with the screener a switch is made or he rolls off. Only time a whislte should occur when the defender runs into an offensive screener , is when he runs him over or clearly gains an advantage. Did we gain an advantage last night when the officials chose not to call David for running over the screener? We sure did,but we'll take it. Hope that answers your questions.Thanks zebras

Wily - I'm not sure whether a foul could/should have been called on that play last night (though I admit I winced when I saw it out of fear a foul might be called), but what was the advantage we gained out of DC running over the screener?

As I recall the play, the screen basically took him out of the play, i.e. prevented him from guarding the pass. While it may have also taken the screener out of the play, there was no way WSU was going to pass the ball to that player anyway. The no call obviously benefited us, but any no call benefits the team that runs into a screen, e.g. in the examples you gave above.

 

[Chico]

IMO, the charging foul call most of the time is the easy way out for the officials. Not sure what to call, call charging. Sorry Coyote, just my opinion. Our little 5'4' guard Frank S from the 70's was an expert at falling down and getting charging calls, but he fell down so often I think one game the official told Bradley if he fell down again it would be a T for making a travesty of the game.

 

[wily coyote]

Wily - I'm not sure whether a foul could/should have been called on that play last night (though I admit I winced when I saw it out of fear a foul might be called), but what was the advantage we gained out of DC running over the screener?

As I recall the play, the screen basically took him out of the play, i.e. prevented him from guarding the pass. While it may have also taken the screener out of the play, there was no way WSU was going to pass the ball to that player anyway. The no call obviously benefited us, but any no call benefits the team that runs into a screen, e.g. in the examples you gave above.

CABUFAN, The advantage would NOT be for us it would have been an advantage for WSU. It would have put them at the line to shoot maybe game deciding free throws. We actually removed one of their options for a throw in also by knocking him to the floor. I've seen it used and worked many times in my career thank goodness it didn't the other night. The coaches talked about it to David the radio and TV guys talked about it Must not have sunk into David .

 

[wily coyote]

IMO, the charging foul call most of the time is the easy way out for the officials. Not sure what to call, call charging. Sorry Coyote, just my opinion. Our little 5'4' guard Frank S from the 70's was an expert at falling down and getting charging calls, but he fell down so often I think one game the official told Bradley if he fell down again it would be a T for making a travesty of the game.

Chico, I must disagree with you on this one. If you saw the game the defender just didn't fall down. There was enough contact to merit a whistle on an old play that worked but thankfully wasn't reward. NOt sure how much you officiated but not sure where you're coming from with the statement "the charging call is the easy way out."It is in fact a very difficult call unless you see the whole thing develope.

 

[bluedevils1]

About the postgame...Bradley won.

 

[Chico]

Chico, I must disagree with you on this one. If you saw the game the defender just didn't fall down. There was enough contact to merit a whistle on an old play that worked but thankfully wasn't reward. NOt sure how much you officiated but not sure where you're coming from with the statement "the charging call is the easy way out."It is in fact a very difficult call unless you see the whole thing develope.

I said IMO. If if is a difficult call, that makes my statement more creditable, IMO. The call I wish they would change is calling charging and taking the driving basket away. They should call the charge, if they think it is a charge, but still give the basket. Always too close to call either way.

 

[it's boogie time]

I can't ever remember seeing a charge called on that old baseline running in-play screen.

1-8 on three pointers and the got the road win. I would have never predicted that. I guess Bradley almost did that a few years ago when Ruffin hit the first three pointer of the game for BU to send it into overtime.

 

[Out of Bounce]

Again I agree with you! Also, AW, even if 100% healthy will need a few weeks to get back into game shape. You can be in great cardio condition but playing basketball uses your whole body and it takes a bit to get into basketball shape regardless. Could he help us this year if 100%. No doubt but to play for a few games this year I would suspect would not be in his best interest.

I agree with you on all this but couldn't the same be said about JW except for the injury part. I know what he said about wanting to play this year, BUT:!:

 

[wily coyote]

I said IMO. If if is a difficult call, that makes my statement more creditable, IMO. The call I wish they would change is calling charging and taking the driving basket away. They should call the charge, if they think it is a charge, but still give the basket. Always too close to call either way.

Chjco, your last sentence is the reason for the rule change. Not only did an official have to make a sometimes tough call between a block or a charge but then also determine if the ball had left his hands before the contact. This rule change where they always take it away no matter what was changed at the HS level in 1987 and it makes it so much easier for the officials. Definitatly a good change in my opinion. The National Federation tries to make this game as easy as possible and that change sure did.

 

[SFP]

I agree with you on all this but couldn't the same be said about JW except for the injury part. I know what he said about wanting to play this year, BUT:!:

True about JW but in this instant I believe most of us just want to get him in uniform and do away with our insecurity and not worrying about the discussion we'll have on this alllllll summer long! LOL

I believe he thinks he'll only need a fraction of his college eligibility to get to the next level. I have no idea on how good of a player he is or not!

 

[Bradleyguy10]

I believe he thinks he'll only need a fraction of his college eligibility to get to the next level. I have no idea on how good of a player he is or not!

Exactly..which is why in his circumstance it is different. If he is good enough to not even be here all 4 years then why not use up as much of his eligibility as possible starting with this season. Get him into shape put him in some games and see if he helps us out. If he does great....all that does is set him up to be even more ready for next season. If he comes in shape or can get into shape quickly AND JL thinks he can contribute then we need to use him as much as possible THIS SEASON.

I could see someone's point about redshirting him IF it were a matter of him using up all of his eligibility and being here 4 years, but what exactly is the point of doing that if JW himself isn't planning on being here the whole time. USE HIM NOW!