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Final: Butler 87 Bradley 75

BradleyBrave said:
I haven't read a single post in this thread, so I am speaking purely out of what I hear and see at the games. People can b-tch and moan about bad shooting, 'the weave', Collins, or whatever. But it doesn't mean anything if the team doesn't play even grade-school level defense. I am tired of hearing 'Defense is our calling card', 'We hang our hat on defense'...blah blah blah shut up. No you don't. Stop giving it lip service. I have no doubt that this team can play defense when it wants to, and when it's taught to. They showed that the first half against MSU. They then showed in the subsequent 3 halves that their fundamentals on defense are awful and that their effort is sporadic at best. I can accept bad possessions, I can accept bad shooting, and I can accept freshman mistakes. I can't accept bad fundamentals and poor effort. We've got a heavy dose of both lately from our Braves.
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Amen to that brother:!:
 
shaunguth said:
Coupe quick things....we MUST start Singh this Sunday!

Also, does anyone know who the two recruits were sitting behind the Bradley bench. They were shown on the scoreboard at one point and I thought one of them looked a lot like Donivine Stewart.
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I have spotted Donivine at every home game (including the exhibitions) except ETSU but I wouldn't doubt he was there too.
 
My thoughts

ZONE AGAINST BUTLER?????????? They have always been a very solid 3 point shooting team, unfortunately Jimmy boy is to stubborn to just stick to man they killed us on 3s every time we went zone whether it 2-3 or 1-3-1.

The weave, we need to cut it to get to the basket (more explanation in "the weave" thread)

We NEVER attack the basket ever. Dodie gets a layup in the first 5 seconds of the 2nd half and Butler calls a timeout because it was such a rarity in the first half and it became a rarity the rest of the game after that time out.

They out hustled to everything besides Therons little and 1 he had.

Dont get me started on Free-Throws (why even get put into the bonus with 10 minutes left?)

Sam Maniscalco please get more aggresive and shoot the ball. How many times do you have to make the extra pass and get a tally in the TO column of your stats before you just shoot the freakin thing.

When TW shoots a 3 we have 1 rebounder and if DC is in the game then we have 0 rebounders, so TW please dont shoot the 3 cause i think 1-5 (4-15 or 27% on the year) doesnt qualify you to launch when you get it out there.

Something needs to happen with this team, I think they believe they are alot better then they really are, I dont get where they think this when they lost to a DIII team in the pre-season.
 
warren5 said:
Something needs to happen with this team, I think they believe they are alot better then they really are, I dont get where they think this when they lost to a DIII team in the pre-season.
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Maybe it's because they play Bradley everyday in practice?
 
Da Coach said:
Just got back from the game.
Butler 87
Bradley 75
Not much to say about it- Butler shot the three better than I have ever seen a visiting team shoot it at Carver. They were 13-27 from three, and 29-54 overall. Any time a team can score 87 points on 54 shots on the road, they are going to win.
And they didn't just have 1 or 2 three point threats. They had 3 or 4 guys on the floor at any time that could drill the three.
Bradley had some struggles scoring at times, but there were some good things tonight, too. I didn't think the defense was that bad, but Butler would make the shots when they needed to.
We really miss Andrew Warren and Will Egolf. I hope we can learn from this game. Butler will win the Horizon easily, and if they can shoot like they did tonight, they can go a lot farther.
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You musta missed the Tim Parker/Chattanooga game several years ago. Only this time we let an absolute pipsqueak make essentially the difference in the result.
 
MacabreMob said:
Oh how some miss Slow-Mo and falling asleep at Church while the Rev gave his sermon. :twisted:
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I didn't like him at all either, but I feel some deja vu from the comments I heard tonight from our current coach as well as all of the things that have been going on since year 1 to now.
 
squirrel said:
No. Just calling a spade a spade.

Bygones are bygones. Now it's merely entertainment.

What if Mo beats UMKC?
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That's schadenfreude. You, my friend, are a schadenfreude. It's ok - I am too. Just I get my kicks on other things - you get yours on Bradley-under-Les-Failures.
 
I've never felt that the players have confidence in the coach (with the exception of when Chuck Buescher was an assistant).
 
I didnt even bother to watch. Think this is the first game in a long while too. This season is beyond repair. Butler was our last chance to make a statement. Dont see us getting to the finals in the MVC either.

As the Cubs fans would say. There's always next year.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I sometimes get the feeling that he has the same syndrome Ron Zook at UIUC has....

Can recruit the players....


Can not coach the players....
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Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...
 
ph said:
Sam had 1 assist. AT got the same number in the last 3 minutes.

I thought it was a sport on this board to deride blatently selfish players on other teams.....
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Sam passed the ball plenty of times to other players, and hit numerous open guys.
It isn't his fault if they didn't score off the pass.

and the 3-pointers that put Butler up by 14 real early in the game were while we played man to man, in case the facts actually matter.
From that point on we played 'em even, but we lost it in the first 5 minutes when they didn't miss a three.



shaunguth said:
Also, does anyone know who the two recruits were sitting behind the Bradley bench. ....
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The recruits at the game included Donivine Stewart, Demarius Sumrell, Jordan Prosser, Tyler Les (all right behind the bench)
and Nick Rochford right behind Da Coach.



squirrel said:
Last time I checked Mo had a 1st place team.
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Western Illinois is undefeated in the Summit Conference, and presently in FIRST PLACE.
 
ER3 said:
Watching this game tonight, a group of us in our section were all wondering aloud if this very same thing applies here at BU...

Both teams on the floor tonight were very young, neither team had players that had played together enough to develop a lot of chemistry, etc...

Yet...one team looked very disciplined, very well-taught, very fundamentally sound, very prepared, and executed an excellent game plan...that was Butler, the road team...they shot well, didn't turn the ball over, and repeatedly worked their offense to perfection...ending up with a wide open three or a layup over and over and over again.

Meanwhile, the other team, the home team, they executed poorly on both ends of the floor, played with little to no intensity, showed very little discipline or composure, was careless with the ball on offense, had breakdown after breakdown on defense, missed block out assignments repeatedly, and just looked completely unprepared for the game in so many ways...from both a psychological and Xs and Os perspective.

I certainly don't expect this team to win as many games as they would if Warren and Egolf were healthy...however, I do expect them to look like a disciplined, composed, well-coached team that plays hard every night and shows the ability to make adjustments and learn from their mistakes and breakdowns...I didn't see that tonight...They didn't play hard until it was far too late, they weren't disciplined, they did not play with composure, they did not make good decisions, they did not make adjustments throughout the game, and they simply did not appear to be a well-coached team out there tonight...
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Amen. And Amen. Discipline and composure. It was amazing to watch the Butler newbies play like seasoned veterans in their EIGHTH game. Crisp passes. Good screens. Blocking out. Finding the open man. Sound fundamentals. That, my friends, is a d _ _ n-well coached team.
 
It doesn't matter who's in the lineup right now. There are fundamental issues with the way we play as a team.
There were two different teams last night on the floor.
Both were young...Butler played excellent help defense, they hardly ever missed a rotation and communicated very well, They rebounde pretty wel and outhustled us the whole game for the most part.
The excuted offensively going through the post many times and taking the right shot most all the time.
They are a very disciplined team and respond well to their coach.
We don't even execute some simple things very well right now at either end.
I don't know if it's coaching,leadership, desire from the players, players abilities or what but we need to figure it out soon.
Not sure how much AW will help if the rest of the team isn't fundamentally sound.
 
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