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MVC games Thursday 11/20

SIU looks like the same team we have seen over the last 2 years; good defense but has trouble on offense; BU could have problems trying to defend their 2 big men .
 
real fan said:
SIU looks like the same team we have seen over the last 2 years; good defense but has trouble on offense; BU could have problems trying to defend their 2 big men .
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They got Carlton Fay and Nick Evans and Bradley got Will Egolf and Anthony Thompson. Those two are so far ahead of Bradley's two post players it's frightening. And only going to get worse going forward.
 
What?? Evans is only in the game because of the fouls on all the other big guys. He has a couple buckets but he is inexperienced, fouls every time he defends someone, and can't hit FT.

SIU was actually hanging tough until they got completely out of their offense and guys like Bocot & Dillard starting trying to take on Duke one-on-three.
That pass by Bocot to Kyle Singler that resulted in a dunk, an intentional foul, two more FT's then the ball out of bounds as well as the 5th foul on Evans...was a very, very costly play.

In the end....this game turned out a whole lot like the BU-Florida game. BU also hung tough through much of the 1st half, then pulled within single digits as late as midway through the 2nd half, then kinda got homered with foul calls and succumbed to a late rally that placed the final margin over 20 points.
Oddly...showing the usual bias...one observer on another board says this...
"BU got smoked by Florida, SIU hung with Duke for 30 minutes".....ha, ha, ha....
The truth is BU lost by less than SIU did, and BU was closer at the 10 minute mark than SIU was.
DUKE isn't as good as the Top 10 ranking suggests, as they almost LOST at home to Rhode Island!


as for the Creighton game...sure they won easy...but P'Allen did his Jekyll & Hyde act again....He was 0-5

PS-- have I mentioned that I like Carlton Fay, and the fact that he has refined his game and stays with 15 feet of the basket, has helped immensely.
In fact, take away Fay and Duke blows out ot a 20 point 1st half margin and probably wins by 40.
Last year, Lowery had Fay roaming the periphery jacking up long threes, and it just wasn't working!
 
tornado said:
What?? Evans is only in the game because of the fouls on all the other big guys. He has a couple buckets but he is inexperienced, fouls every time he defends someone, and can't hit FT.
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But they're on the floor! And yes....Fay is way ahead of Egolf/Thompson.
 
No matter how you slice it SIU will be a tough game and they will be much better team come March. I also think their O is going to be much improved this year. There were also a few questionable fouls that went Duke's way when the game was close. Also if we are going to win both our games against SIU we will have to hit the outside shot, period. So far our 3 point shooting is a concern of mine until AW returns.

Also, the refs in this game did not let the teams hand check and if the Valley refs allow hand checking when we play SIU it will be a long evening for us.
 
Speaking of Andrew Warren a couple of my friends saw him with "a huge boot on" yesterday and I was a little concerned by that. Is he still required to wear a boot? I was under the impression that him not playing against Florida was a precaution but he was physically able to. I imagined he would be getting in good practices this week to get ready for the next 3 games. Now I'm wondering, since he's still in a boot, if he has practiced at all this week and if JL intends on playing him these next three games. Has anyone heard anything?
 
shaunguth said:
But they're on the floor! And yes....Fay is way ahead of Egolf/Thompson.
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I couldn't agree more...

At this point, it would be hard for Fay to not be ahead of Egolf...


Look at the minute disparity up to yesterday including last year...


They need to find a way to get Egolf some minutes...otherwise they will find him leaving pretty shortly....

Then again, it may be hard to find certain players minutes when you're trying to play 25 million guards and playing every guy over 6'7" in one position...

Especially considering that if I've said it a thousand times, I will say it again...Egolf is NOT a 5! I'm not even certain AT is a 5 at this point...

If the team were run traditionally, your rotations would be:

C - Singh, Collins, Thompson

PF - Brown, Egolf, Thompson

SF - Wilson, Roberts, Brown, Dunson

SG - Warren, Dunson, Roberts, Norris

PG - Maniscalco, McCain, Dunson, Norris


And yes, you can play 2 SG's and 2 SF's at the same time but we should never be playing 2 small PG's at the same time...

Egolf shouldn't be getting 25 min a game, but he should at least be getting 10 at this point...

Besides, you aren't asking every guy to go in and score 20....you're just asking them to lead us toward the common goal...winning...and by each doing their own part...I think Will can contribute...I'm just waiting for others to see this (notably our coach)
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
No matter how you slice it SIU will be a tough game and they will be much better team come March. I also think their O is going to be much improved this year. There were also a few questionable fouls that went Duke's way when the game was close. Also if we are going to win both our games against SIU we will have to hit the outside shot, period. So far our 3 point shooting is a concern of mine until AW returns.

Also, the refs in this game did not let the teams hand check and if the Valley refs allow hand checking when we play SIU it will be a long evening for us.
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I'm not sure how you can say that?

Where is their Tatum and Young? Or even their Falker?

They have absolutely no go-to players and if they're relying on Fay to be their A-1 scorer and threat, I have to say they're in trouble...as much as he's improved...6-19 is not a great day and will not help you win many games if that is your top threat.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I couldn't agree more...

At this point, it would be hard for Fay to not be ahead of Egolf...


Look at the minute disparity up to yesterday including last year...


They need to find a way to get Egolf some minutes...otherwise they will find him leaving pretty shortly....

Then again, it may be hard to find certain players minutes when you're trying to play 25 million guards and playing every guy over 6'7" in one position...

Especially considering that if I've said it a thousand times, I will say it again...Egolf is NOT a 5! I'm not even certain AT is a 5 at this point...

If the team were run traditionally, your rotations would be:

C - Singh, Collins, Thompson

PF - Brown, Egolf, Thompson

SF - Wilson, Roberts, Brown, Dunson

SG - Warren, Dunson, Roberts, Norris

PG - Maniscalco, McCain, Dunson, Norris


And yes, you can play 2 SG's and 2 SF's at the same time but we should never be playing 2 small PG's at the same time...

Egolf shouldn't be getting 25 min a game, but he should at least be getting 10 at this point...

Besides, you aren't asking every guy to go in and score 20....you're just asking them to lead us toward the common goal...winning...and by each doing their own part...I think Will can contribute...I'm just waiting for others to see this (notably our coach)
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Likewise.....I couldn't agree more. I've seen it posted many times on this board within the past six months that 2009-2010 is the year to look out for Bradley. I find that hard to believe if we have nobody to play center. The two most likely candidates at this point are barely allowed to get off the bench. Looks like we may need to go the juco route again.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
Speaking of Andrew Warren a couple of my friends saw him with "a huge boot on" yesterday and I was a little concerned by that. Is he still required to wear a boot? I was under the impression that him not playing against Florida was a precaution but he was physically able to. I imagined he would be getting in good practices this week to get ready for the next 3 games. Now I'm wondering, since he's still in a boot, if he has practiced at all this week and if JL intends on playing him these next three games. Has anyone heard anything?
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This is exactly why I hate seeing people say SM's troubles and/or any other troubles will go away when AW returns. I've said it before.....we'll see how the "problems" and the player rotation look if/when AW is healthy and giving us consistent minutes each game. I'm personally finding it hard to pin our hopes on AW at this point in time.
 
shaunguth said:
Likewise.....I couldn't agree more. I've seen it posted many times on this board within the past six months that 2009-2010 is the year to look out for Bradley. I find that hard to believe if we have nobody to play center. The two most likely candidates at this point are barely allowed to get off the bench. Looks like we may need to go the juco route again.
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AT could develop into a center but I doubt it as I think he'd get pushed around plenty...

Egolf as I restate is NOT a center...

Thinking about a comparable player, this would've been like Creighton telling Dane Watts he's their center...basically put, its just something that should NEVER happen!

I don't see things changing in that aspect unfortunately, and I hope coach realizes when they come in that Jordan is also not a 5, and neither is Milos...Milos is closer to a 3...

But hey, he's past that height cut-off so you never know...
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I'm not sure how you can say that?

Where is their Tatum and Young? Or even their Falker?

They have absolutely no go-to players and if they're relying on Fay to be their A-1 scorer and threat, I have to say they're in trouble...as much as he's improved...6-19 is not a great day and will not help you win many games if that is your top threat.
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Their Freshmen are good, will get better as the season goes and they have the ability to create on their own not within the SIU system. That in itself will make them better. If you do not think with a little bit of coaching and a few months that Dillard and Booker will not be credible threats on the offensive end come March and the next 4 years then I'm afraid we will just have to disagree. Tatum was a player but IMO Dillard if harnessed correctly can be better IMO.
 
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