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Del Negro
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BradleyBrave
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Jim Les would have been a better hire. Unbelievable...but not really when it comes to Jerry Reinsdorf.
houstontxbrave
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After the season they endured, how the players simply did not respond to Boylan what makes Paxson/Reinsdorf believe that the current arrangement of players will respond to Del Negro?
They would have been better off hiring a retread like Larry Brown, Westphal or heck even Kelvin Sampson atleast all have at one time or another been head coaches.
This really is a strange surprising hire. Also what was the hurry in hiring Del Negro, why not wait until the end of the finals to atleast interview Rambis, Shaw or Tom Thibodeau seems silly especially considering it seems Del Negro isnt exactly in huge demand. What was the hurry in hiring Del Negro?
They would have been better off hiring a retread like Larry Brown, Westphal or heck even Kelvin Sampson atleast all have at one time or another been head coaches.
This really is a strange surprising hire. Also what was the hurry in hiring Del Negro, why not wait until the end of the finals to atleast interview Rambis, Shaw or Tom Thibodeau seems silly especially considering it seems Del Negro isnt exactly in huge demand. What was the hurry in hiring Del Negro?
BradleyBrave
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Reinsdorf shows his true colors yet again. Embarrassing. The Bulls remain the laughing stock of the league. What a 'Bait and Switch' he pulled over on season ticket holders. 'Leaks' came out saying the hiring of Collins was imminent just as season ticket holders were contacted to renew their seats. Once Reinsdorf had the influx of cash from season tickets holders' renewed enthusiasm with the #1 pick and Doug Collins on board, he scared Collins away so he could hire a coach he could pay next to nothing. What a jerk. It's the definition of 'bait and switch'.
BradleyBrave
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Jerry Reinsdorf didn't bring you anything. His teams winning had little to do with anything he did as an owner. He nickel-and-dimed his basketball team since he took control and prematurely ended a dynasty because of a tight pocketbook (didn't want to pay Phil Jackson) and arrogance (is on record as saying he looked forward to building a dynasty without Michael Jordan). The Sox winning the world series had little to do with how much Reinsdorf spent on the team. After the World Series, they tried spending money for a couple years with poor results. Jerry would have no more, which led to Kenny Williams having to trade Jon Garland for a shortstop in his 'walk' year. It will also lead to the premature departure of Joe Crede. This year is working out well so far, but that's got more to do with a few gambles by Kenny Williams paying off (Carlos Quentin, Jon Danks, Gavin Floyd) than anything Jerry Reinsdorf has done. Jerry Reinsdorf is about one thing - making money. If it's at the cost of a winning product, so be it.
What's so ironic is that Reinsdorf has always prided himself in being a 'hands off' owner who lets his GM's do their jobs. Unfortunately, that only seems to apply to his baseball team. He's as meddling as anyone when it comes to basketball. The results of his ownership of the Bulls speak for themselves since 1998.
Lakeview Brave
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Well maybe the Bulls will draft Theron Wilson with the 1st pick this year and be on thier way to another 6 championships!
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TRIMAN
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I think you are being extremely harsh.
So he didn't bring anything to the Bulls, but he meddles in his basketball team?
Overall, Pax has done a good job of turning around a Bulls team that was a GIANT mess. Terrible draft picks and trades along with stupid player moves (J. Williams). They got better every year, but regressed this year. Give him a pass. He's been right far more often than he's been wrong.
And find another current owned with seven championships in two sports. Hate him all you want, but he wins.
BradleyBrave
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I am not joking when I say that Jim Les would have been a better hire. I would rather hire a guy who played in the NBA for 7 years, and has been a head coach at the college level for 6 years. I'd want to hire him even more knowing that he runs an NBA-style offense that fits the Bulls' personnel to a tee (guard-oriented in which athletic big men can thrive). I'm sorry, I am not drinking any Kool-Aid when I say that Jim Les is much more qualified to coach the Bulls than Vinny Del Negro. That tells you how weak of a hire this was by Jerry Reinsdorf.
Lakeview Brave
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MJ brought 6 of those championships and the Bulls got extreamly lucky to draft the best player of all time, they could have just as easily got Sam Bowie. Since 98 this team has been a disaster and that falls on ownership and GM.
MacabreMob
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Ouch. That sounds like you are not only slamming the Bulls and Reinsdorf, but Jim Les as well.
But keep me outta this. I know nothing about Del Negro, Reinsdorf, the Bulls, and the NBA.
(just want to note - you did say: "Jerry Reinsdorf is about one thing - making money. If it's at the cost of a winning product, so be it." To me, IMO, that completely fits the NBA.)
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TRIMAN
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They had to assemble a team around MJ, particularly acquiring #33. A lot of being a good GM is getting a little lucky. I'm not going to argue that Krause was a good GM though. He did keep MJ happy (overall), however, until the end.
Many analysts picked them to win the east in the pre-season. They were improving well and looked to take a large leap forward-instead of what actually happened this year.
Jim Less would not be a good hire for an NBA team (at least right now). Did you notice how there were ZERO college coaches interviewing for NBA coaching positions? Very few have success.
BradleyBrave
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Paxson more right more than wrong? I beg to differ.
-Pax got the Scott Skiles hire right, as he took an undersized, undertalented team and got them to defend and play probably better than the sum of their parts. However, JPax wronged that right by firing him prematurely.
-Pax got the trade of Tyson Chandler wrong. Chandler is better than any post player the Bulls have had since he was traded.
-The picks of Gordon and Deng could have been 'right' if they'd have turned into all-stars or been traded for an all-star (something the Bulls haven't had since 1998 ). Instead they're undersized, unathletic, and unprofessional (as evidenced by their admitted quitting on coach Jim Boylan this year).
-Pax couldn't pull the trigger with these undersized, unathletic players when Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol, and Kobe Bryant were available. All 3 are playing in the NBA Finals right now.
-Pax passed on LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy (NBA All-Star) for Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefalosha.
-Pax got it wrong when he signed Ben Wallace to a maximum contract in one of the worst free agent signings in Chicago sports history.
Now, Reinsdorf had documented involvement in the Ben Wallace signing, the non-trades for Garnett, Gasol, and Bryant (its documented that Reinsdorf vetoed the trade for Gasol because he didn't want to go over the luxury tax threshold), the Mike D'Antoni fiasco, and Doug Collins fiasco. The Bulls are on record of saying that they were drafting Sam Bowie if he wasn't picked by Portland. If you want to give Reinsdorf credit for Rod Thorn's draft pick of Michael Jordan, fine. However, if Reinsdorf was committed to winning and not turning a profit, the Bulls wouldn't have been the laughing stock of the NBA for the better part of the last 10 years, which further validates that the current GM of the Bobcats had a lot more to do with 6 Bulls titles than the current owner of the team. He's old, he's arrogant, and he's continuing to make Chicago's NBA team a league-wide joke. The last decade's results speak for themselves.
BradleyBrave
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Well, it wasn't meant to be slam on JL but it was hard to articulate without it sounding like a slam. Simply put, an NBA team in one of the league's 3 largest markets shouldn't be relegated to hiring a guy with no coaching experience. If they were going to go the cheap rookie coach route, there were more qualified candidates with Chicago ties just a few hours south.
BradleyBrave, it's obvious you dislike Reinsdorf, but I believe the man who pays the salaries had a little bit to do with the Sox winnng the World Series. Myself, I don't care what he does with the Bulls, the Sox have won a World Series in my lifetime which I still can't believe they did.
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I dont think that the Bryant trade existed. From everything I've seen, the Bulls would have to give up too much of their roster to get KG or Gasol, which would turn the Bulls into the T-wolves or Griz (both worse franchises than the Bulls). Gasol is the #2 in LA, but he would be expected to be the #1 in Chicago-a position he clearly is not comfortable with. Please don't try to make the argument that KG would bring the Bulls to the finals (MAYBE if they could have gotten KG and Gasol). The Bulls still don't have a star so trading for those players wouldn't help.
4 other teams missed on Roy. The Bulls wanted Thomas and they forced portland to trade for him. It's far to early to call Thomas a bust and Aldridge a better player. I agree that Aldridge appears better at this point.
Do you have this "documented involvement" because I would love to see it.
Chicago is not a league-wide joke. I have no idea where you got that from. New York is a league-wide joke.
Collins didn't want to coach.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...bulls-doug-collins-morrissey,1,7616940.column
Chandler had to be traded. He was a bad fit with Wallace on the team, and he had no value on the Bulls. I think his success on the hornets has far more to do with him being a good fit on that team than him being a good player (like Wallace with Det). It's easy to rip a trade like that. Same thing happened with Tim Thomas when he left the Bulls and had "success" on PHX. You could argue that the Bulls should have gotten more for Chandler, but I don't think teams were lining up to take him.
From what I've read, many teams don't think Gordon would be good on other teams than he is on the Bulls. Deng could still be good-he needs to stay healthy.
Did someone on the Bulls beat you up when you were a kid or poop in your cereal? You really seem personally offended by the Bulls.
Lakeview Brave
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Ill let Bradley Brave respond to most of your post. However this type of sentence is so dumb, it goes right along with "did they steal your girlfriend". As if harsh criticism of the Bulls is so unwarranted. How dumb would it sound the other way "Are the Bulls your best friends, is Reinsdorf your dad"
Are you or have you been a season ticket holder of the Bulls for the last several years? I have been and so has Bradley Brave and as season ticket holders I think we have the right to be upset by the large turd we invested in this past season.
BradleyBrave
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Did someone on the Bulls beat you up when you were a kid or poop in your cereal? You really seem personally offended by the Bulls.
If this were the case, why would I be mad about the Bulls being a laughing stock? Wouldn't I be happy about it?
As far as the Knicks being a league-wide joke, that's incorrect. They WERE. They've hired a veteran GM with a winning reputation and league-wide respect in Donnie Walsh, and hired Mike D'Antoni as the Bulls twidled their thumbs. Then the Bulls practically announced the hiring of Doug Collins, only to have Jerry Reinsdorf wait long enough for Doug Collins to not feel wanted anymore. The Bulls and their coaching fiasco is a league-wide joke, there's no two ways around it. Even the usually-tame Carol Slezak has identified this most recent coaching hire as a joke based solely on the bottom line.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/slezak/996762,CST-SPT-carol10.article
Regarding 'documented involvement', I don't have time to find all of the links regarding Reinsdorf's personal meetings with Ben Wallace, his trumping of the Gasol deal, and everything else he's screwed up. But they're there. You're familiar with the Tribune and Sun-Times websites, you can look them up in their archives. I've already read them.
Personally offended by the Bulls? Perhaps. Maybe this will help illustrate why -
WINS LOSSES
2007-08 33 49
2006-07 49 33
2005-06 41 41
2004-05 47 35
2003-04 23 59
2002-03 30 52
2001-02 21 61
2000-01 15 67
1999-00 17 65
1998-99 13 37
Since 1998 - 289 wins, 499 losses
210 games UNDER .500 since 1998. I would think that a fan of any team, let alone a team in the 3rd largest market in the league, would be furious. But, if you're content with the status quo, that's your problem. Personally, I am not. It's inexcusable.
BradleyBrave
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I am, which is why I am good at identifying teams that aren't committed to or even attempting to win.
FWIW, the Cubs have made the playoffs as many times as the Bulls have since 1998. Pretty sad considering how many teams make the playoffs in the NBA.
FWIW, the Cubs have made the playoffs as many times as the Bulls have since 1998. Pretty sad considering how many teams make the playoffs in the NBA.