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**lake Camelot** · 11-15-2012, 06:35 PM

Docks

I am torn because it would be nice to have CHD two years behind Fields and have a PG in the fold for when Fields leaves. But I can't see us wanting to use one of our available scholarships for next year on a PG. Even if we ended up with an extra one because someone transferred. (I am not saying this is happening, it just seems to most years).

If we ended up with 3 scholarships I still think Wing, Big,Big.

But I guess that would depend on the position the person that left had played.

**jeffsu** · 11-15-2012, 07:21 PM

Hypothetically speaking...

He comes here and pays his own way (really??) this Spring... sits out (redshirts?) this Spring and Fall (2013)... then he'd be eligible Spring of 2014 with 3.5 years left? Or would he redshirt the 2013-2014 school year entirely and have three years left starting Fall of 2014?

I guess I can't figure out when he would actually start playing, which semesters he would play, and when he would exhaust his eligibility? I keep coming up with him only being there for a year, max, after Fields?

Granted, if he's better than Fields...

**JMM28** · 11-15-2012, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by jeffsu View Post

Hypothetically speaking...

He comes here and pays his own way (really??) this Spring... sits out (redshirts?) this Spring and Fall (2013)... then he'd be eligible Spring of 2014 with 3.5 years left? Or would he redshirt the 2013-2014 school year entirely and have three years left starting Fall of 2014?

I guess I can't figure out when he would actually start playing, which semesters he would play, and when he would exhaust his eligibility? I keep coming up with him only being there for a year, max, after Fields?

Granted, if he's better than Fields...

My best guess would be this -

This is treated as his redshirt year, since he didn't partake in games, similar to the Milton Doyle from KU to Loyola situation.

The problem is that he won't actually transfer until the semester break. He is staying at Butler for now which is good from the academic side.

He transfers at semester, possibly paying his own way for a semester (or two if Butler makes him pay for the first semester), and is eligible starting after the 1st semester is over in December of 2013. That would make him eligible for the majority of next season.

I would have no problem getting him if the staff thinks he is as good or better than Fields. In order to win in DivisionI Basketball, you must always be recruiting over current players.

**Da Coach** · 11-15-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by jeffsu View Post

Hypothetically speaking...

He comes here and pays his own way (really??) this Spring... sits out (redshirts?) this Spring and Fall (2013)... then he'd be eligible Spring of 2014 with 3.5 years left? Or would he redshirt the 2013-2014 school year entirely and have three years left starting Fall of 2014?

I guess I can't figure out when he would actually start playing, which semesters he would play, and when he would exhaust his eligibility? I keep coming up with him only being there for a year, max, after Fields?

Granted, if he's better than Fields...

I believe the most likely scenario (if he came to Bradley) would be to redshirt the 2nd semester this season, and the first semester of 2013-2014 and be eligible after the 1st semester next season and have 3 1/2 years left. There would be no reason for him to sit out more than 2 semesters, and if he did, he'd lose eligibility since athletes have only a 5-year window of time to complete their 4 years of eligibility.

**JMM28** · 11-16-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Da Coach View Post

I believe the most likely scenario (if he came to Bradley) would be to redshirt the 2nd semester this season, and the first semester of 2013-2014 and be eligible after the 1st semester next season and have 3 1/2 years left. There would be no reason for him to sit out more than 2 semesters, and if he did, he'd lose eligibility since athletes have only a 5-year window of time to complete their 4 years of eligibility.

I think we essentially said the same thing, but you can't split a redshirt over two academic years. So he would technically be using a redshirt this year for the entire season, transferring at semester, and would be eligible at the end of the fall semester in 2013.

**Da Coach** · 11-16-2012, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by JMM28 View Post

I think we essentially said the same thing, but you can't split a redshirt over two academic years. So he would technically be using a redshirt this year for the entire season, transferring at semester, and would be eligible at the end of the fall semester in 2013.

This is not technically a "redshirt". The NCAA defines a redshirt as a year that a player chooses to sit out while staying at a single school.
However when a player transfers from one 4 year school to another, he must always sit out for 1 academic year, or 2 semesters (unless he is granted a waiver), and the NCAA does not define that as a "redshirt", although many people use that term.
In other words, when a player transfers in mid-year, he is allowed to use halves of 2 seasons as his year of sitting out. It happens fairly often. Players like Diamond Taylor of SIU and Gregory Echenique of Creighton transferred at the same point that Chris Harrison-Docks is, and they became eligible at the semester break the following season and had 3 1/2 years (Taylor) or 2 1/2 years (Echenique) of eligibility left.

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**tornado** · 11-16-2012, 11:57 AM

once he dressed and played - even in an exhibition - now the NCAA has to review the situation and rule especially if he waits 'til the semester break - but he isn't likely at all to be eligible at the beginning of next year

In the Diamond Taylor case - he never even played in the exhibition so he retained four years of eligibility but still wasn't able to play until semester so he ends up getting only 3.5 years...

**jeffsu** · 11-16-2012, 03:39 PM

Thanks guys. That explanation now makes sense. So having him basically ready to play a year and 2 months from now... And be eligible for 3.5 seasons... He'd have an extra year after Fields.

I wouldn't argue having good competition for the starting PG spot!

**tornado** · 12-12-2012, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Da Coach View Post

Now known as Chris Harrison-Docks, he is reported to have offers from Bradley, Akron, Western Kentucky, and now Utah.
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs...tah-offer.html

Chris Harrison-Docks lands at.......... Western Kentucky - where he just spent the weekend visiting..

funny how now he's saying that at BUTLER he felt "stuck in a system that did not benefit him"...
and he wanted to go "Somewhere that plays my style of play, I just didn't feel it benefited me to to stay at Butler with their style."

his final six choices were Michigan State, Missouri, Miami (OH), UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Western Kentucky - and he doesn't mention Bradley as an option at all.

He played in both of Butler's exhibitions - so he will not be eligible to play at WKU until 2nd semester of 2013-2014 - roughly mid-December 2013.

BUT -- seriously -- how can this kid go through a FULL 3-4 years of the recruiting process when he was in high school,
he got to know Butler's Brad Stephens intimately, and watched dozens of Butler games...even watching them proceed to the Final Four
& Championship game TWICE...and then he picks Butler ........and talking with Stephens thousands of times along the way - becoming incredibly familiar with how they play and their "style"....

...only to "suddenly" and "unexpectedly" find out even before playing a single game there -- that they don't play his style of basketball??
some of this kid's statements are the most astoundingly naive and stupid comments I have ever heard from any recruit!

Brad Stephens has been head coach of Butler since 2007 - he has conference and even national "Coach of the Year" awards - he has even been an assistant
at Butler going all the way back to 2000 and using the exact same system all that time.............
so HOW THE HEY can Harrison-Docks be so mindless as to choose a program that he never saw what was coming in regards to their "style of play"?????

**wily coyote** · 12-12-2012, 12:10 PM

Maybe Gerry can shed some light on CHD. What's his story. Sorry we couldn't land him but it doesn't sound like we were a player in getting him into a BU uniform.

**Guest** · 12-12-2012, 02:32 PM

Nothing opened

Bradley had no scholarships opened for him and no one was leaving at break to free up a scholly. Western Kentucky will allow him to freelance and get up and down.

**tornado** · 12-12-2012, 02:51 PM

after a couple years of being down - WKU has recruited well and are sitting at 8-2 although they have their wins against a batch of pretty weak teams...
but they also have a nearly alll-underclass team and only lose a couple of parts so CHD will have to compete well to get his playing time

**tornado** · 01-09-2013, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by tornado View Post

after a couple years of being down - WKU has recruited well and are sitting at 8-2 although they have their wins against a batch of pretty weak teams...
but they also have a nearly alll-underclass team and only lose a couple of parts so CHD will have to compete well to get his playing time

since saying this, now Western KY has gone 2-5 - most recently losing to Arkansas-Little Rock & Arkansas State and beating only FIU & N. Texas in that stretch.
....