2007 BU commitment- David Collins

[bugregshu]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

A rebound is the same concept as a steal. The other team gives the ball up. And offensive rebounds allow for a fresh possession. I don't think rebounds are overrated. Especially on a team like ours.

[Big Mike]

I would like to think the rebound situation is getting handled.....so look for that problem to go away next season!

[houstontxbrave]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.

Rebounds can never be overrated.

[tornado]

I would like to think the rebound situation is getting handled.....

Two factors put BU in the situation they found themseleves in this season...with rebounding difficulties....

One was the departure of POB when BU had not anticipated it in time to recruit a replacement center.

Second was Zach's senior year difficulties staying out of foul trouble. Although the rips on MVC officiating this past season were way less than prior years, it was still the same as ever in the respect that any contact in the paint by a defender guarding the man with the ball was always whistled a foul.
This is not the way the Big Ten or almost any other league patrols the paint, only the Valley. I've said it for years, and it's why really GOOD big men never choose the Valley to play and are only RARELY ever successful in the Valley.
I know we didn't hear too much complaining because the fouls were certainly less than last season and before when we used to see 60 total fouls per game routinely, but the situation was still quite unfortunate for Zach. He simply never was able to adjust to the ticky-tack calls everyone in the Valley gets in the lane.

[shaunguth]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.

Rebounds can never be overrated.

Exactly.....every rebound is a possible 4-6 point swing. Just two rebounds could possibly be a double-digit swing in points! If anything, rebounds are under-rated.

[georgethedog]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.

Rebounds can never be overrated.

On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!

[oilerpimp]

Two factors put BU in the situation they found themseleves in this season...with rebounding difficulties....

Also a third and more important reason: Three point shooting team = LONG CAROMS.

[houstontxbrave]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.

Rebounds can never be overrated.

On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!

This season we were out rebounded 1285 to 1047 that is a difference of 6.8 boards per game.

We turned the ball over 399 times versus 553, that is a positive difference of 4.4 per game.

The rebounding difference was extremely substancial in several games:

TT -8 L
@UNI -16 L
H MSU -25 L
@WSU -16 L
@CU -15 L
@MSU -17 L
H CU -10 L
H UNI -10 L
SIU -8 MVC tourney L
Miss St -19 L

Extremely common theme, we were pounded on the boards in these games and lost all the above games.

Our guards will continue to handle the basketball and more then likely minimize tournovers, and I do agree that turnovers can change or effect a game tremendously. But, a tournover at mid court, I believe is not as detromental as giving up 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possession.

Ill take an extra 1 to 3 tournovers per game if we can bring the rebounding totals much closer to equal.

[georgethedog]

Rebounds can sometimes be overrated. However, we NEED more rebounding this year. Last year was TERRIBLE.

Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.

Rebounds can never be overrated.

On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!

This season we were out rebounded 1285 to 1047 that is a difference of 6.8 boards per game.

We turned the ball over 399 times versus 553, that is a positive difference of 4.4 per game.

The rebounding difference was extremely substancial in several games:

TT -8 L
@UNI -16 L
H MSU -25 L
@WSU -16 L
@CU -15 L
@MSU -17 L
H CU -10 L
H UNI -10 L
SIU -8 MVC tourney L
Miss St -19 L

Extremely common theme, we were pounded on the boards in these games and lost all the above games.

Our guards will continue to handle the basketball and more then likely minimize tournovers, and I do agree that turnovers can change or effect a game tremendously. But, a tournover at mid court, I believe is not as detromental as giving up 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possession.

Ill take an extra 1 to 3 tournovers per game if we can bring the rebounding totals much closer to equal.

If we shoot and miss and don't get the rebound or we turn it over, these are the same effect. The other team now can try to make a basket.

If they shoot and get an offensive rebound or we get the rebound and turn it back to them, these are the same effect. The other team now can try to make a basket. The only difference is that an offensive rebound may put the other team in a better position to score a basket because it could be a put back close to the basket. However, not all offensive rebounds are close enough for an easy put back and many turnovers lead to just as easy of a basket on a break away.

Let's just say they are both important! I think interior defense is also just as important. If the other team can't score, we win!

[amckillip]

I agree with George here, people look too much at a stat than what a stat means. Missing a shot has the same outcome as a turnover but people don't treat it the same.

I think this years team which looks to have GREAT guards will keep turnovers down. I also agree with whoever brought up the point of big men with good hands, I hope DC has good hands, because as much as I love MS, he does not, he mishandles balls often. Either way I expect the rebound margin to improve(a result of better interior defense in a lot of ways).

[houstontxbrave]

I agree with George here, people look too much at a stat than what a stat means. Missing a shot has the same outcome as a turnover but people don't treat it the same.

I think this years team which looks to have GREAT guards will keep turnovers down. I also agree with whoever brought up the point of big men with good hands, I hope DC has good hands, because as much as I love MS, he does not, he mishandles balls often. Either way I expect the rebound margin to improve(a result of better interior defense in a lot of ways).

I definitly do not disagree that turnovers are vital and equally as important as rebounding. What started all of this was the statement that rebounds were overrated. My point was in basketball, to me, the game boils down to who has more possessions and scores more points. The more points is extremely obvious, but the number of possessions is vital to scoring more.

Digging a bit into BU this past season, our biggest glaring weakness was rebounding and we were out rebounded by nearly 7 rebounds per game and in several games we were out rebounded by double digits.

A rebound a turnover a missed free throw are all things that can change a game from a win to a lose or vice versa. In '06-'07 we saw that poor rebounding directly lead in several games to us losing the game. Maybe not the only reason but a very strong possibility.

[georgethedog]

[quote="houstontxbrave"]

In '06-'07 we saw that poor rebounding directly lead in several games to us losing the game. Maybe not the only reason but a very strong possibility.

Final point, and in the Sweet 16 year there were many games that we lost that could be directly traced to turnovers. Both years we had a similar record. One year our losses were caused a lot by turnovers, and the other year by lack of rebounding. Pick your poison! Maybe next year we will have fewer turnovers (great experienced guards) and more rebounds with a bigger team. Top 25 here we come!

[matt714gd]

Top 25...man that would be great!!!....I hope you are right

[Big Mike]

Heres hoping CC likes hanging out with DC and ends up commiting to the Braves!

[Da Coach]

Might as well keep this topic going. We aren't far away from 10,000 views!

David Collins is also visiting Peoria today. He shouldn't be hard to spot. If anyone sees him or Coley, let us know.