Hayden Hoerdemann

[midstateknowitall]

Alot of people compare him to Matt Roth. However, like you said he is alot different. Matt was a pure shooter that always had a great set shot. He worked his way into be a complete shooter by learning how to shoot off the dribble as well. However, he still does not create his own shot very well.

Hayden Hoerdemann is not as good of a shooter from 3, however when he gets hot watch out. Like I stated before he had 39pts in the game against Fieldcrest this year and had 19pts in the last 2:45 of the game. Hoerdemann however scores in so many ways, he hits threes, has a great midrange game, is strong enough to get to the hole and finish with contact, and he gets to the line alot... Something that is really over looked when it comes to being a scorer.... I would compare him more to Jon Scheyer than Matt Roth... Obviously isnt as good as Scheyer but he plays more like Scheyer than Roth

He will be a system player at the next level. Like if he ends up at a high major I could see him at a school like Northwestern or Butler...

[SFP]

He will be a system player at the next level. Like if he ends up at a high major I could see him at a school like Northwestern or Butler...

So Butler is now a high major along with Northwestern? Last I saw Butler played in a conference below the Valley!

[midstateknowitall]

Butler is just like Gonzaga... Hard to say both of those schools aren't high majors because of the confrences they play in. Are they actual "HIGH MAJORS" no but they have great teams that play great schedules that continously knock off high majors every year. Hard to not say that is a big time basketball program to attend.

Northwestern is on a steady rise. They play in the BIG TEN and were ranked at one point this season. Plus, there recruiting classes keep getting better and better.


Its gonna come down to a matter of opinoin but I think its a No Brainer that Butler (even in the confrence they play in) and Northwestern are not Mid Major Programs...

[SFP]

This could be another thread easily. I love the programs that Butler and Gonzaga run. I am hoping the one day BU can be held in the same standard that these two programs have achieved. You may want to throw in Xavier into the equation! We agree in principle but in general I hate to throw in these labels. What label should schools in high major conferences that are terrible year in and year out have i.e. DePaul. High-low major perhaps?

[CABUFan]

Nothing against Butler, as I think they are a great program and would love Bradley to be where they are right now, but to say they are "just like" Gonzaga and question whether they are a mid-major I think is very premature. Until the last 3-4 seasons, they were unquestionably nothing more than a decent mid-major program. They have had a great run the last few seasons, and I admit that they seemed to reload in a non-midmajor way last season when most expected them to suffer from losing Graves, but I don't see how a 3-4 year run takes them out of the mid-major category. As far as I know, they do not have a high-major budget, and it remains to be seen whether they can keep recruiting well enough to sustain their success. Gonzaga, on the other hand, has had consistent success for what, 15+ years? Butler may be on their way to becoming the next Gonzaga, but they are definitely not there yet.

[Double D]

I hate to pile on this kid because this is not about him...but HH had 2 POINTS! against the Eureka Hornets friday night.

Again, I just don't see it. The kid has had a real good hs career and may be a nice mid/low major college basketball player. He is plain and simple just nowhere near as good as he is being portrayed to be.

[tornado]

just to add a couple things...


kids do have bad games, and HH has more good ones than bad ones..
and kids are also recruited on potential and other talents such as defense that don't always show on paper....Chris Roberts also had a few really bad games of only a couple points, but JL saw the potential..

[Indy_BB]

Nothing against Butler, as I think they are a great program and would love Bradley to be where they are right now, but to say they are "just like" Gonzaga and question whether they are a mid-major I think is very premature. Until the last 3-4 seasons, they were unquestionably nothing more than a decent mid-major program. They have had a great run the last few seasons, and I admit that they seemed to reload in a non-midmajor way last season when most expected them to suffer from losing Graves, but I don't see how a 3-4 year run takes them out of the mid-major category. As far as I know, they do not have a high-major budget, and it remains to be seen whether they can keep recruiting well enough to sustain their success. Gonzaga, on the other hand, has had consistent success for what, 15+ years? Butler may be on their way to becoming the next Gonzaga, but they are definitely not there yet.

Umm, what?

Butler has averaged 23 wins over the last 15 years, missing the post season (NIT or NCAA) two times during the stretch (2 S16s) - rated in the Top 25 in '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, and '10. (Top 15 in each of the last four) This season is the 8th regular season championship in the last 11 years. Over the last 10 years, Butler rates in the Top 25 schools for weeks in the top 25. BU is on pace this season to eclipse 30 wins for the 2nd time in three years and his the 4th winningest program in the country over the last 4 years. Furthermore, Butler graduates 1 person who plays meaningful minutes after this year.

I think comparing programs to one another is a bit silly, but lets not be crazy.

[tornado]

Umm, what?

Butler has averaged 23 wins over the last 15 years...

almost...last 15 years (unless you want to count this season)..but Butler does play in a perennially weaker conference...
I don't deny their record has been better than Bradley's but I sure doubt they'd have tallied 335 wins playing 18 Valley games per year.

26-6 (2008-2009)
30-4
29-7
20-13
13-15
16-14
27-6
26-6
24-8
23-8
22-10
22-11
23-10
19-8
15-12 (1994-1995)
total record/15 seasons, 335-138 - average = 22.33 wins per year, 9.2 losses per year

[Indy_BB]

I started with this season's 21-4, which is consistent with the other things cited.

As far as the Valley goes, that gets into idle speculation that is completely beside the point. The point being, Butler has been in the Top 25 more years than not this decade and I believe that was what the poster above was talking about. "Mid majors" around the country are stoked to find themselves in the "receiving votes" category once every several years.

There are a handful (and two of them were mentioned) that are consistent in that regard. If you can't see the distinction in perception to the general public, I dont know what to say to you.

[bballer1133]

Get your facts straight.

I hate to pile on this kid because this is not about him...but HH had 2 POINTS! against the Eureka Hornets friday night.

Again, I just don't see it. The kid has had a real good hs career and may be a nice mid/low major college basketball player. He is plain and simple just nowhere near as good as he is being portrayed to be.

Hoerdemann was ill that night and sat on bench half the game. I have watched Hayden play since Jr. High and he IS a D1 quality player. He has gotten better every year and had a great AAU season last summer. I would say he has had a good season averaging 18 points a game and shoots 50%. He can handle the ball, has high IQ on the floor, and is a team player. He has grown too, 6'3" and 185 pounds and still moves quickly and makes great passes and has assists out the you know what every game. He is a great kid and a great basketball player.

[mrcoachdude]

gotta throw in my opinion....he is a definate D-1 player and will make a fine college player.....

smart...shooter...good handles....

[Da Coach]

Hayden Hoerdemann gets a scholarship offer from Western Michigan-

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/haydenwmu.html

I guess that certifies that he is a D1 caliber player. He still has a year of high school, so we'll see how many more D1 offers he gets.

[Double D]

Hayden Hoerdemann gets a scholarship offer from Western Michigan-

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/haydenwmu.html

I guess that certifies that he is a D1 caliber player. He still has a year of high school, so we'll see how many more D1 offers he gets.

Again, please read my initial assessment. I am not saying that there is not a place for the kid in division 1 basketball. Even somewhere in the valley. But there are 330 division one basketball teams. I am just commenting on how highly he is ranked for his size and skill set.

[midstateknowitall]

3 offers (Eastern IL, Illinois State, and Western Michigan) with interest from all over the place.... I would say he has the size and skill set to be a fine D1 player....