Brewers fire manager

[Scouter]

Ankiel, Pujols, Duncan, Molina, Schumaker, Ludwick, Morris, kinda Wainwright...

That's my point. They only had eight guys (really six, because they traded for Wainwright and Ludwick was a career minor leaguer) that they brought up through the minors and had make major league contributions in Jocketty's 12(?) years as GM. Until this season, the Cardnals' minor league system was pretty nasty.

[Chico]

Why would CC want to return to the AL after the way he dominated the NL.

[amckillip]

Why would CC want to return to the AL after the way he dominated the NL.

Exactly, in every NL line-up you can take out one great hitter, who, all they do is hit, and insert one terrible hitter who rarely takes BP. This is why we need to get rid of the DH entirely, it puts the AL at a HUGE advantage when NL teams play in their park, the NL teams don't have a Manny Ramirez or Jim Thome sitting on the bench they can insert... This is why a pitcher would prefer the NL.

[Chico]

Sorry AMC, but I have to disagree. I could agree with you if most pitchers were like Z of the Cubs and took hitting seriously. I like the DH because I'd rather see someone swinging the bat than bunting with 2 strikes or taking pitches for strike 3 simply because he is a pitcher. Also, I believe the NL has an advantage where ever they play an AL team. The AL loses a hitter, who is in the lineup every other game, when they play in NL parks. When they play in AL parks the NL can add a weapon they don't usually have. IMO they should play every intra league game the way they play the rest of the season. Of course after witnessing the last several All-Star games and World Series, maybe the AL should give the NL a break.

[amckillip]

Sorry AMC, but I have to disagree. I could agree with you if most pitchers were like Z of the Cubs and took hitting seriously. I like the DH because I'd rather see someone swinging the bat than bunting with 2 strikes or taking pitches for strike 3 simply because he is a pitcher. Also, I believe the NL has an advantage where ever they play an AL team. The AL loses a hitter, who is in the lineup every other game, when they play in NL parks. When they play in AL parks the NL can add a weapon they don't usually have. IMO they should play every intra league game the way they play the rest of the season. Of course after witnessing the last several All-Star games and World Series, maybe the AL should give the NL a break.

All an AL team has to do is put their pitcher in the Lineup, it's that simple. An NL just can't match the offensive prowess of a guy like Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, or Aubrey Huff with a bench sub, it's just not feasible to keep a player like that on the bench. That's why AL has the advantage.

[Chico]

The AL teams are at a disadvantage because they partially build their team around the DH and can't use them in a NL park. Every NL team has a guy on the bench who could be playing every day, so it gives them the extra bat, they usually don't have, when they play in the AL park. They give hitters bats to hit with, so if they used them for what they were made for I would also be against the DH.

[BU_EMT128]

Before Cardinals this season -> .234 Avg & .619 OBPS
With Cardinals this season -> .385 Avg & .964 OBPS

I'll stick with my statement.

sure a .385 average is great, but he lacks that "clutch hit". Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard cardinals fan, but I see him in the same light i see Derek Lee. Sure, he will hit a double with no one on, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 down, he grounds out.

[Scouter]

The AL teams are at a disadvantage because they partially build their team around the DH and can't use them in a NL park. Every NL team has a guy on the bench who could be playing every day, so it gives them the extra bat, they usually don't have, when they play in the AL park. They give hitters bats to hit with, so if they used them for what they were made for I would also be against the DH.

I disagree, Chico. The bench players the NL teams use to DH in AL parks don't come close to the guys the AL teams use as a DH almost every day.

[Chico]

At least they are guys who go to the plate to swing the bat. When they are swinging the bat anything can happen.

[amckillip]

sure a .385 average is great, but he lacks that "clutch hit". Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard cardinals fan, but I see him in the same light i see Derek Lee. Sure, he will hit a double with no one on, but with runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 down, he grounds out.

I wouldn't disagree at all in that regard, but heck Ryan Howard won the MVP over Pujols that way... lol

[Scouter]

I wouldn't disagree at all in that regard, but heck Ryan Howard won the MVP over Pujols that way... lol

Yes, but Andruw Jones did not.