Super Bowl commercials thread

[tornado]

Maybe -- who really knows what's going on in others' minds....and how do we really know how others voted? And people do change so no matter what he said back then how do we know what he feels now?

I still think Michael Moore saw it the way it was intended -
"Clint, the consensus is u done a good thing standing up 4 Detroit--
& your sermon seemed 2 b a call 2 give O his "second half."



and I never denied that Clint leans conservative when money is at issue but is an avowed social liberal...
if some how you did not see this as a promotion for Obama then you're entitled to see it as you wish, but even Clint concedes it did look like it...
and his "denial" is oddly a carefully parsed non-denial -- when asked if it was a promotion for Obama - the only thing he denied was "being affiliated with the Obama campaign"!!

http://news.yahoo.com/clint-eastwood-chrysler-commercial-viewed-obama-campaign-ad-214337497.html

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/clint-eastwood-i-am-not-politically-affiliated-with-mr-obama.php

[Beninator]

Maybe -- who really knows what's going on in others' minds....and how do we really know how others voted? And people do change so no matter what he said back then how do we know what he feels now?

I still think Michael Moore saw it the way it was intended -
"Clint, the consensus is u done a good thing standing up 4 Detroit--
& your sermon seemed 2 b a call 2 give O his "second half."



and I never denied that Clint leans conservative when money is at issue but is an avowed social liberal...
if some how you did not see this as a promotion for Obama then you're entitled to see it as you wish, but even Clint concedes it did look like it...
and his "denial" is oddly a carefully parsed non-denial -- when asked if it was a promotion for Obama - the only thing he denied was "being affiliated with the Obama campaign"!!

http://news.yahoo.com/clint-eastwood-chrysler-commercial-viewed-obama-campaign-ad-214337497.html

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/clin...h-mr-obama.php

Why would Eastwood try to lie about how he voted in a November 2011 interview? Also, Eastwood's full quote is a little more than stating that he isn't "affiliated with Obama."

Some pundits have argued that the tone seemed to favor the re-election of President Obama. Eastwood told Fox that, ???I am certainly not politically affiliated with Mr. Obama. It was meant to be a message ??¦ just about job growth and the spirit of America. I think all politicians will agree with it.???

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/02/07/clint-eastwood-says-super-bowl-chrysler-ad-not-linked-to-obama/

[tornado]

who the hey cares - all I ever said was that THE COMMERCIAL was an attempt to promote a 2nd term....

A different ad caught my eye and I never could quite figure out what was up - When I saw the aging Clint Eastwood in the Detroit commercial - I immediately thought it was quite odd as it (THE COMMERCIAL - not necessarily Clint personally) seemed to be promoting the bailout and how well it worked......

Clint did not pay for the ad nor write the ad - he simply said what was scripted for him to say by those who PAID FOR THE AD...
golly lots of people likely would say whatever they're told to say if they get the kind of $$ Clint Eastwood was likely paid for that ad!!!

Willing or unwilling - Clint did the bidding of someone who wanted to promote a 2nd term for the current president


BTW - the sponsor of that ad was Chrysler - the direct recipient of over $80 BILLION in cash money given to them (& GM) by President Obama (per msnbc)-- so if you're looking for perhaps something that might even just be the appearance of a reason why Chrysler might want to help President Obama - then I'd say an $80 billion "bailout" that has yet to be fully repaid is a nice start...

[Beninator]

who the hey cares - all I ever said was that THE COMMERCIAL was an attempt to promote a 2nd term....





Clint did not pay for the ad nor write the ad - he simply said what was scripted for him to say by those who PAID FOR THE AD...
golly lots of people likely would say whatever they're told to say if they get the kind of $$ Clint Eastwood was likely paid for that ad!!!

Willing or unwilling - Clint did the bidding of someone who wanted to promote a 2nd term for the current president


BTW - the sponsor of that ad was Chrysler - the direct recipient of over $80 BILLION in cash money given to them (& GM) by President Obama (per msnbc)-- so if you're looking for perhaps something that might even just be the appearance of a reason why Chrysler might want to help President Obama - then I'd say an $80 billion "bailout" that has yet to be fully repaid is a nice start...

Leaving Clint out of this, Chryser was bailed out by the TARP plans that were started by the BUSH administration with further bailouts from the Obama Administration. Here is a pretty even report from Factcheck.org

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/chrysler-paid-in-full/

Lastly unlike a lot of corporations out there, Chrysler actually paid $148 million in income taxes through the first nine months of 2011!

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/chrysler-group-reports-third-quarter-2011-net-income-of-212-million-132695213.html

[tornado]

agreed - Chrysler (per your stats) earned $1.5 BILLION in PROFIT (Modified Operating Profit) through the first 3 quarters of 2011....(figures for 4th quarter N/A)

If they have paid $148 million in taxes (and we can't be entirely sure as their tax records are not available and their tax return wouldn't be due until well into 2012)
then that figure works out to an overall tax rate of 9.7% - something that makes Mitt Romney's 15% look excessive - and certainly a percentage that many of us (private & corporate) exceed in what we pay every single year of our lives!!
They still quite obviously have a lot to thank someone in Washington for...

[SFP]

agreed - Chrysler (per your stats) earned $1.5 BILLION in PROFIT (Modified Operating Profit) through the first 3 quarters of 2011....(figures for 4th quarter N/A)

If they have paid $148 million in taxes (and we can't be entirely sure as their tax records are not available and their tax return wouldn't be due until well into 2012)
then that figure works out to an overall tax rate of 9.7% - something that makes Mitt Romney's 15% look excessive - and certainly a percentage that many of us (private & corporate) exceed in what we pay every single year of our lives!!
They still quite obviously have a lot to thank someone in Washington for...

Yes they do and they are on both sides of the aisle. Special Interest Groups are equal opportunity institutions. Just vote the way I want you to and I'll help fund your election!

[Bravesfan]

but isn't that odd - the whole purpose of the commercial is to catch your attention and burn the product indeliably into your mind and your memory..
...and yet you watched the commercial and were actually DISTRACTED by it such that you didn't even notice what was being advertisted!!!

A different ad caught my eye and I never could quite figure out what was up - When I saw the aging Clint Eastwood in the Detroit commercial - I immediately thought it was quite odd as it seemed to be promoting the bailout and how well it worked...
Now, I see I was not the only one who thought this commercial was a cheap attempt ("it's America's halftime" - meaning we need four more years of whatever..) to promote the President's re-election..
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...r-bowl-ad.html

Yes, very surprising considering Eastwood is a long time Republican. Maybe you could also interpret the commercial as Eastwood commending the people of Detroit for making progress in revitalizing their city on their own, in an apolitical way. But I guess it can be interpreted both ways, and I would have to watch it again more carefully to see if I missed any "sublimital" nods to the Obama administration.

I will say this though that if he is supporting Obama, that is really disappointing coming from him. But I'll give Clint the benefit of the doubt until I watch the commercial again.

[Bravesfan]

Why would Eastwood try to lie about how he voted in a November 2011 interview? Also, Eastwood's full quote is a little more than stating that he isn't "affiliated with Obama."

Some pundits have argued that the tone seemed to favor the re-election of President Obama. Eastwood told Fox that, ???I am certainly not politically affiliated with Mr. Obama. It was meant to be a message ??¦ just about job growth and the spirit of America. I think all politicians will agree with it.???

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/...nked-to-obama/

I have to agree with your post Beninator, and that includes the commercial itself, though again it could be interpreted both ways I suppose. I'm hoping Clint would not sell his values out just for the money, but you never know.

[Bravesfan]

who the hey cares - all I ever said was that THE COMMERCIAL was an attempt to promote a 2nd term....

Clint did not pay for the ad nor write the ad - he simply said what was scripted for him to say by those who PAID FOR THE AD...
golly lots of people likely would say whatever they're told to say if they get the kind of $$ Clint Eastwood was likely paid for that ad!!!

Willing or unwilling - Clint did the bidding of someone who wanted to promote a 2nd term for the current president


BTW - the sponsor of that ad was Chrysler - the direct recipient of over $80 BILLION in cash money given to them (& GM) by President Obama (per msnbc)-- so if you're looking for perhaps something that might even just be the appearance of a reason why Chrysler might want to help President Obama - then I'd say an $80 billion "bailout" that has yet to be fully repaid is a nice start...

WOW! If Clint sold himself out just for the money, then shame on him! Yes, I know he may be socially liberal on a few issues, but he still votes Republican just about every time ( at least according to him). So to do a commerical like this (if it is indeed an Obama "campaign ad") just makes Clint look like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Again though, I will reserve judgement until I watch it again, but the Chrysler connection does speak volumes.

Actually though, I do care about the commercial for two reasons. First, it would contradict Clint's politics which would damage his creditibility even if he "blindly" did the commercial just for the paycheck. And second, the commercial would be yet another Obama "propaganda" piece which would further mislead the public on just how well the "bailout" worked. So yeah, every commercial like this will just further damage the Republican candidate's chances of beating Obama this fall, and further distort the truth from the public.

[tornado]

I gues that's where we differ - I rarely take an "ACTOR" seriously when they say things in public since they are professionals at saying lines that are NOT what they really believe themselves - they are professional FAKES in other words...
actors sell themselves out all the time - they say what they are paid to say -- they shoot people, kill people, and play roles that are both liberal and conservative regardless of where they stand personally
and sometimes, they only realize how their words are being used after the editing, cutting, and post-production
Eastwood's role in "Million Dollar Baby" and many other movies pushed far left agendas.



we even find occasionally that some actors/actresses later try to sue because their performances were used in a way other than what they later decided they wanted..

btw-- Eastwood is about as conservative Repub as Arnold is....name only -
BTW - LIbertarians claim he is one of them - LINK
..and yet you really cannot find anywhere that Republicans nor known conservatives claim him...
while he does admit he has voted for liberals and is a big admirer of Jerry Brown
..and oddly on political message boards - even Democrats lay claim to Clint saying he's NOT really a Republican nor conservative! - LINK

[Beninator]

Eastwood's role in "Million Dollar Baby" and many other movies pushed far left agendas.



we even find occasionally that some actors/actresses later try to sue because their performances were used in a way other than what they later decided they wanted..

btw-- Eastwood is about as conservative Repub as Arnold is....name only -
BTW - LIbertarians claim he is one of them - LINK
..and yet you really cannot find anywhere that Republicans nor known conservatives claim him...
while he does admit he has voted for liberals and is a big admirer of Jerry Brown
..and oddly on political message boards - even Democrats lay claim to Clint saying he's NOT really a Republican nor conservative! - LINK

First off, I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby, so I can't comment on that. I think it is safe to say that Eastwood is a social liberal though.

The funny thing T is that the political descriptions that are in your last paragraph IMO make him perfect for the Chrysler commercial. He doesn't ascribe to any one political ideology, was at one time registered as a Republican and may still be a registered Republican --who knows and really who should cares--, and is claimed by the Democrats and Libertarians. IMHO, if you want to get to the real reason for the uproar, go back to one of the people who initially raised the concerns about the commercial. There is a very good reason that person is nicknamed "Turd Blossom."

[Bravesfan]

I gues that's where we differ - I rarely take an "ACTOR" seriously when they say things in public since they are professionals at saying lines that are NOT what they really believe themselves - they are professional FAKES in other words...
actors sell themselves out all the time - they say what they are paid to say -- they shoot people, kill people, and play roles that are both liberal and conservative regardless of where they stand personally
and sometimes, they only realize how their words are being used after the editing, cutting, and post-production
Eastwood's role in "Million Dollar Baby" and many other movies pushed far left agendas.



we even find occasionally that some actors/actresses later try to sue because their performances were used in a way other than what they later decided they wanted..

btw-- Eastwood is about as conservative Repub as Arnold is....name only -
BTW - LIbertarians claim he is one of them - LINK
..and yet you really cannot find anywhere that Republicans nor known conservatives claim him...
while he does admit he has voted for liberals and is a big admirer of Jerry Brown
..and oddly on political message boards - even Democrats lay claim to Clint saying he's NOT really a Republican nor conservative! - LINK

I agree about actors talking in circles regarding their actual political beliefs. I just thought Clint was an exception to that rule. Based on your info though T, maybe I was wrong and he is the same as the rest of them. Only he knows for sure.

And if Eastwood is indeed more of a liberal Democrat than Republican, then yes he would be the classic "rhino" Republican, which does actual conservatives and Republicans no good at all.

[Bravesfan]

First off, I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby, so I can't comment on that. I think it is safe to say that Eastwood is a social liberal though.

The funny thing T is that the political descriptions that are in your last paragraph IMO make him perfect for the Chrysler commercial. He doesn't ascribe to any one political ideology, was at one time registered as a Republican and may still be a registered Republican --who knows and really who should cares--, and is claimed by the Democrats and Libertarians. IMHO, if you want to get to the real reason for the uproar, go back to one of the people who initially raised the concerns about the commercial. There is a very good reason that person is nicknamed "Turd Blossom."

Your right, no one should really care what Hollywood actors think, but intentional or not, they do influence people's political decisions, silly as that may be. And for that reason they should be honest where they are coming from.

George Clooney for example is an unabashed liberal Democrat, and even though I strongly disagree with the vast majority of what he believes in, it's hard not to like this guy as he is one of the nicest people in Hollywood, and more importantly he doesn't hide from his political beliefs. I wish Eastwood would be more upfront with his beliefs and not pose as a Republican if he is not. However, he apparently is a fiscal conservative which would put him more in line as a Libertarian. Perhaps he would be more likely to vote Republican this time around as the economy is still in bad shape, despite what he said in that commercial.

[Skut Farcus]

I doubt that Clint will influence anybody's vote. Unless of course he shows up at the polls with his magnum.

[Bravesfan]

I doubt that Clint will influence anybody's vote. Unless of course he shows up at the polls with his magnum.

Well, he might influence some golf fans as he is being interviewed at the PGA Tournament right now.