OT - is anyone here a "protester"?

[SFP]

I want to see what our response will be. Also not a dime or even cent should go to Egypt's ruling party. When they can't stand up to our simple principles as a nation why do we keep supporting these figures. These countries have no idea what freedom and democracy is and their leaders are nothing but power hunger *****s that will say or do whatever the uneducated thugs ask of them. Attacks like this does not happen in a vacuum. I'm also a bit disturbed that we do not have enough assets in the streets in these places in order to prevent these tragedies from happening. This was another intelligence failure.

[ChewaBrave]

The very "persons" who Time Mag had chosen to honor as the "Person of the Year have turned on us...and shown themselves to be sub-human scum who have no sense of decency or civility...
Nice job Time - I think it amplifies how short sighted they were - maybe let's give the "protesters" the Nobel Peace Prize this year??

These "scum" and not
"disenfranchised young adults who are frustrated with a lack of political power and a flailing economy".....as Time describes them....

They are selfish, fanatic, kill-at-all-costs zealots who believe anyone who thinks differently than them is "Satan" and must be eliminated...

Is it any wonder that all the Time's, CNN's, and top politicians in the US are suddenly saying they are totally surprised and taken off-guard by these happenings,
when almost everyone else down to the street sweepers and janitors knew full well this was coming and those people have an irrational hate for us and cannot be dealt with like reasonable human beings.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-12/news/sns-rt-us-libya-ambassador-assaultbre88c02q-20120912_1_libyan-officers-rocket-attack-qaeda

http://www.newser.com/article/da1952pg0/caught-off-guard-by-libya-attack-us-braces-for-more-violent-fallout-from-anti-muslim-film.html

http://world.bdnews24.com/details.php?id=232256&cid=0

none of this surprises me or catches me off guard...and shouldn't surprise anyone who was alive in 1979 when our Iranian embassy was attacked....
how come politicians can think they will behave according to common human civility - they never have before...

Don't disagree with you on much of what you said regarding the protesters, but you still seem confused. The person of the year is about influence, not good or evil.

[tornado]

I know what you are saying - but there has always been legitimate "backlash and opposition" to their naming "negative" figures...so I am only doing what I see to be fair....
also - I see their selection of "The Protester" as a cutesy choice by those pretending to be intellectual - to heap honor on those they want honored for changing the world...

if it was just about influence then "The Mother" or "The Father" or "The teacher" or even the "Al Qaeda cult leader" would be the obvious choice..

and in 1979 when they chose the Ayatollah just before he urged Iranians to storm our embassy there and hold many US citizens hostage - some people at Time offered apologies for their choice and admitted it was a bad choice,leading them to shy away from picking such bad people as their "Person of the Year"...
this was universally obvious in 2001 when clearly the most influential person in 2001 was Osama bin Laden and yet Time chose the safer path and selected someone else...hoping to avoid scathing editorials and buyer wrath or boycots.
So I feel there's not only room for disagreement - clearly Time themselves concedes it's bad, or possibly risky or controversial policy to name these bad guys and thus honor them for being evil.

Virtually all broadcasters and people in the media somewhat even agree with me in the sense that they NEVER show or turn the camera on "protesters" who race onto the fields at baseball games - right? so they kinda clearly know that this kind of honoring hooligans and "protesters" is bad policy.

[ChewaBrave]

I know what you are saying - but there has always been legitimate "backlash and opposition" to their naming "negative" figures...so I am only doing what I see to be fair....
also - I see their selection of "The Protester" as a cutesy choice by those pretending to be intellectual - to heap honor on those they want honored for changing the world...

if it was just about influence then "The Mother" or "The Father" or "The teacher" or even the "Al Qaeda cult leader" would be the obvious choice..

and in 1979 when they chose the Ayatollah just before he urged Iranians to storm our embassy there and hold many US citizens hostage - some people at Time offered apologies for their choice and admitted it was a bad choice,leading them to shy away from picking such bad people as their "Person of the Year"...
this was universally obvious in 2001 when clearly the most influential person in 2001 was Osama bin Laden and yet Time chose the safer path and selected someone else...hoping to avoid scathing editorials and buyer wrath or boycots.
So I feel there's not only room for disagreement - clearly Time themselves concedes it's bad, or possibly risky or controversial policy to name these bad guys and thus honor them for being evil.

Virtually all broadcasters and people in the media somewhat even agree with me in the sense that they NEVER show or turn the camera on "protesters" who race onto the fields at baseball games - right? so they kinda clearly know that this kind of honoring hooligans and "protesters" is bad policy.

Thats largely true, but I would argue that the reason for the backlash, is because people are under the impression, that only 'Good People' that are influential should be noted - or precisely what you are arguing. If you acknowledge the fact that the time cover has no correlation to the ethics of the actions or will of the person portrayed - there is no reason to be upset if the person they choose is "Bad". Apologizing for a backlash is almost always a business decision, and if anything was going to undermine any 'credibility' Time's Person of the year pick has, it was NOT selecting Bin Laden as the person in 2001.

[tornado]

Two more interesting stories caught my eye...

-on the anniversary of the Occupy movement...they tried to throw a HUGE demonstration and rally...in an effort to show that the "Occupy protesters" were still STRONG...
They did create a little disturbance and a bunch got themselves arrested...but note that every story kinda hides the fact that only about 200 to 300 "protesters" showed up -

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57514115/dozens-arrested-as-occupy-marks-1st-anniversary/

Almost every rally that they've ever had protesting other issues gathers that many people and virtually never gets a writeup.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2745580.shtml

-then this - the fed is going to arbitrarily print more money and buy up bad debt and bad loans...almost guaranteeing more inflation and increasing interest rates, so you'd better buy now or your dollars will cost you more to get and will be worth less in the near future.
Their hopes will be that with the dollar worth less, then maybe some employers will hire??

http://www.businessinsider.com/inflation-ben-bernanke-2012-9

http://www.businessinsider.com/david-zervos-bernanke-is-absolutely-lying-about-what-qe-does-to-interest-rates-2012-9

http://www.businessinsider.com/cui-bono-fed-who-benefits-from-the-federal-reserve-2012-9

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/in-the-black/bernankes-inflation-aggravation/story-e6frfinf-1226475177452

[ChewaBrave]

Two more interesting stories caught my eye...

-on the anniversary of the Occupy movement...they tried to throw a HUGE demonstration and rally...in an effort to show that the "Occupy protesters" were still STRONG...
They did create a little disturbance and a bunch got themselves arrested...but note that every story kinda hides the fact that only about 200 to 300 "protesters" showed up -

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57514115/dozens-arrested-as-occupy-marks-1st-anniversary/

Almost every rally that they've ever had protesting other issues gathers that many people and virtually never gets a writeup.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2745580.shtml

-then this - the fed is going to arbitrarily print more money and buy up bad debt and bad loans...almost guaranteeing more inflation and increasing interest rates, so you'd better buy now or your dollars will cost you more to get and will be worth less in the near future.
Their hopes will be that with the dollar worth less, then maybe some employers will hire??

http://www.businessinsider.com/inflation-ben-bernanke-2012-9

http://www.businessinsider.com/david-zervos-bernanke-is-absolutely-lying-about-what-qe-does-to-interest-rates-2012-9

http://www.businessinsider.com/cui-bono-fed-who-benefits-from-the-federal-reserve-2012-9

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...-1226475177452

I didn't see where they attempted to stage a huge protest, nor where the purpose of the protest was to show their strength.

[tornado]

I know it comes over sounding harsh but sometimes you just gotta say the obvious...
Several blogs and interviews - including this one from NBC quoted the Occupy organizers as saying they were trying to "reignite" or "restart" the whole movement and fill Zuccotti Park with large numbers of protesters...
..and were "hoping to regain some momentum"
....but it fell pretty short of their hopes....leading the blogger to describe them...
..a "leaderless organization and dwindling participation"

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/16/13894983-occupy-wall-street-protesters-attempt-to-reignite-their-movement-in-new-york

I agree with people's right to voice concerns and protest but right from the start this was a disrespectful group of protesters who were often overly angry, violent, lawbreaking, and a bit filled with hyperbole as almost all those protesting were folks who actually have it pretty good, living in a great land of opportunity and freedoms, yet whining about lack of opportunity or freedom!
It simply didn't take a genius to predict their whole movement would grow old and fail - and the vast majority of those who were attending would finally see the uselessness and counter-productivity of whining for someone else to give you everything you want without you ever lifting a finger for it.
There will always be a few who still moan and whine for freebies and handouts, but 99% (ironically) of those "99%-er's protesters" have packed up and gone home knowing how silly and selfish they look wearing their expensive clothes and jewelry and carrying computers while whining about how bad they have it and how much they want more government handouts.

Right from the start I have seen this Occupy movement as a bunch of spoiled brats wanting more but unwilling to work for it or pay for it...
the classic was when I saw one of the leaders of the New York Occupy movement interviewed and all he could say was that he and his crowds blamed everyone else, wanted more government freebies & benefits, free college, free health coverage, jobs created, free just about everything else, and given to them even when they have zero skills, etc...
It was the most immature, bizarre, delusional, gimme-rant I have ever heard and I guess I have always had little respect when able bodied people decline to work, blame everyone else, and demand others support them.

[ChewaBrave]

There was quite a bit of that - most movements have fanatics/crazies/freeloaders/jags.

I would actually agree with you, that it has died out - its just that you have a tendency to report things that aren't actually available at your sources, in this case, information regarding the purpose of the protest, and the planned impact of it.

[ChewaBrave]

So I didn't feel like finding the thread that this should posted in from a couple months back but I came across this the other day and I figured you would be interested in it Tornado.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0044275

It's a study done about reporting of biomedical findings in the media, and how they often do a poor job.

[tornado]

Ha - I have noticed many times when a medical story gets reported in the press they butcher it, totally misinterpret it..
then afterwards the stuff that was touted gets disproven anyway --

btw - Time's beloved "Protesters" are about to start WWIII and send the entire earth back to the dark ages -
and they oddly seem to even be proud that's their plan!

[SFP]

Ha - I have noticed many times when a medical story gets reported in the press they butcher it, totally misinterpret it..
then afterwards the stuff that was touted gets disproven anyway --

btw - Time's beloved "Protesters" are about to start WWIII and send the entire earth back to the dark ages -
and they oddly seem to even be proud that's their plan!

Perhaps these protesters are not the idealistic protesters that are needed but something has to be done to change our present day economic trajectory. It is a fact that the large international corporations have more say in our legislative process. Our health-care system will not be fixed by either party because they are both being funded by those special interest. The hard working middle class American family is incapable of saving more and pay a greater amount of their income to taxes then ever before. I believe the Tea Party messed up by allowing the radical right a piece of their platform thus diluting their message. When has the establishment ever created changes that may impinge on their power. Our Civil Rights would not have happened or at least not as quick without the focus that was brought out by Martin Luther King and his non-violence social movement. India would still be ruled by Britain without Gandhi and his protest. Unless you believe we are on the right path with the present day political structure we need a leader or leaders to step up. I may not agree with the methodology of the Wall Street protesters but I'm not going to put them down because at least they are trying to make changes and are not just sitting on a couch being apathetic. On those Libyan protesters that is a different game. As you can tell I'm all about non-violence forms of protest. History proves in a civilized society non violent protest can have deep meaningful impact for the good of human development.

[tornado]

perhaps the protesters should turn their attention away from the markets, banks, and businesses...and start protesting the real reasons behind our terrible economy....
...government involvement, meddling, regulations, and burdensome taxes and pending healthcare requirements & costs...

despite the spin the news day after day is horrible and today it is as well...
retail and factory orders (worst drop in 3 years!) are DOWN again and jobless claims rose AGAIN! - all at a time that year-end and holiday hiring and orders ought to be UP, UP, UP!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/04/unemployment-benefits-claims/1612609/?sf6425199=1

[SFP]

perhaps the protesters should turn their attention away from the markets, banks, and businesses...and start protesting the real reasons behind our terrible economy....
...government involvement, meddling, regulations, and burdensome taxes and pending healthcare requirements & costs...

despite the spin the news day after day is horrible and today it is as well...
retail and factory orders (worst drop in 3 years!) are DOWN again and jobless claims rose AGAIN! - all at a time that year-end and holiday hiring and orders ought to be UP, UP, UP!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...9/?sf6425199=1

I almost agree with you here T Smaller government is ideal and we should strive to that end but we also need to do something about the unusual influence that certain interests have in this country. The tax system is working just well for the large corporations and the 1%. They are the ones making the laws. The average American is left holding the bag while government and regulatory compliance keeps the SMB businesses down. One thing I like about what Romney had to say last night (btw he won that debate going away) was the unfair practice of the current Administration influencing the market unfairly. The other was that they caved into those Banks that are to large to fail over the small regional banks, which are more likely to help the community businesses.

[tornado]

I wonder if Time Magazine will celebrate these protesters? I'll bet not.

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/11/5016553/dozens-of-protesters-ride-in-off.html

[Da Coach]

It is funny that not one single public official in any city or in the federal government even suggested that the thousands of squatters who were protesting in the "Occupy" movement in many cities should be removed from the public land they were destroying. Those protesters were allowed to camp out for as long as they wanted, and damage or destroy public and private property at will.
But if a rancher or a few ATV users move onto federal land that is not even being used by anyone, then the feds send hundreds of US Marshals armed with high powered automatic weapons, tasers, and armed vehicles to arrest or force them out. It certainly shows the priorities of this government.

Maybe they should have the first lady hold up another hashtag sign to prove they really care?