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Be alert for falling objects

You may not be able to offer a free round-trip to the Mars Colony for wining a guess-the-winner, we may not be able to get off the planet...we're going to need private contractors to get rid of the mess created...we sure know how to make messes and I'm not talking about just us...

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The space station is dodging debris
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/sep/15/clean-up-space-junk/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technol...-nasa-urged-to-find-way-to-clean-up-the-mess/
 
Wow......that was interesting, thanks to the couple for being on a walk and filming that as it would have been fun to watch once you knew it wasn't going to land on you! :lol:
 
NASA has had a few embarrassments lately -- not only the falling satellites, and horribly wrong and scandalous news releases on global warming, but also the ignorant press conference which was resoundingly and widely criticized a couple years ago when they hailed the discovery of the "arsenic eating bacteria" as an alien life form...

but they just keep taking hits....

the past few weeks they sent out a few releases about an asteroid that was going to pass somewhat close to earth....but not close enough to be any threat at all..

well...NASA should have kept their collective mouths shut because much of the info they gave about the asteroid - including even the simplest of info like the SIZE of the asteroid - was proven tremendously wrong -- their size figures were off by 100%!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012...eroid-that-flew-by-earth-larger-than-thought/


So - I pose this question - an agency that isn't all that precise and which seems to have not only an agenda but a shortage of funding and their cohorts.... now say this...
That we should travel to the moon and asteroids and mine them for valuable minerals!!!
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/sp...moon-could-reap-riches-spur-space-exploration

BUT - here's the problem with that idea - the cost of going to the moon or an asteroid - even if we could bring back diamonds and/or platinum would be 10 time to 100 times what any value of such minerals might pay off....
Plus the costs of doing it are going up way faster than the cost of everything else - the simplest of trips to the moon would be in the multiple billions of dollars...
I sure hope our government sees the obvious and leaves this for the Donald Trumps and private enterprise guys....our government is too bankrupt enough already to pull this one off....
 
tornado said:
NASA has had a few embarrassments lately -- not only the falling satellites, and horribly wrong and scandalous news releases on global warming, but also the ignorant press conference which was resoundingly and widely criticized a couple years ago when they hailed the discovery of the "arsenic eating bacteria" as an alien life form...

but they just keep taking hits....

the past few weeks they sent out a few releases about an asteroid that was going to pass somewhat close to earth....but not close enough to be any threat at all..

well...NASA should have kept their collective mouths shut because much of the info they gave about the asteroid - including even the simplest of info like the SIZE of the asteroid - was proven tremendously wrong -- their size figures were off by 100%!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012...eroid-that-flew-by-earth-larger-than-thought/


So - I pose this question - an agency that isn't all that precise and which seems to have not only an agenda but a shortage of funding and their cohorts.... now say this...
That we should travel to the moon and asteroids and mine them for valuable minerals!!!
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/sp...moon-could-reap-riches-spur-space-exploration

BUT - here's the problem with that idea - the cost of going to the moon or an asteroid - even if we could bring back diamonds and/or platinum would be 10 time to 100 times what any value of such minerals might pay off....
Plus the costs of doing it are going up way faster than the cost of everything else - the simplest of trips to the moon would be in the multiple billions of dollars...
I sure hope our government sees the obvious and leaves this for the Donald Trumps and private enterprise guys....our government is too bankrupt enough already to pull this one off....
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As always, I find your opinions on NASA entertaining to read -

The article you cited about NASA wanting the government to mine the moon and asteroids, lead to an article about a group that meets to discuss space issues, one of them being mining, and it was heavily attended by private enterprises. Looked like NASA was talking with private enterprises in that article, and that it might help lay the framework for what you are talking about.
 
I have absolutely NO problem with people privately going into space and doing as they please..as long as they spend their money!
But you know as well as I that isn't the way it will happen -- as you recall Solyndra and other "private" ventures who were given enormous lumps of money by various agencies in government --
same will happen in the so-called private exploration of space.. It will still cost taxpayers trillions!

I don't deny that the 50+ years of space exploration has yielded some benefits, but I continue to ask someone, anyone to give me some examples of what we have learned or gained that wouldn't have been developed or learned thru lesser means??
Taxpayers are on the hook for well over a trillion dollars since the space program started up over 50 years ago, plus several deaths of courageous volunteers and I simply do not see much to show for it.
 
tornado said:
I have absolutely NO problem with people privately going into space and doing as they please..as long as they spend their money!
But you know as well as I that isn't the way it will happen -- as you recall Solyndra and other "private" ventures who were given enormous lumps of money by various agencies in government --
same will happen in the so-called private exploration of space.. It will still cost taxpayers trillions!

I don't deny that the 50+ years of space exploration has yielded some benefits, but I continue to ask someone, anyone to give me some examples of what we have learned or gained that wouldn't have been developed or learned thru lesser means??
Taxpayers are on the hook for well over a trillion dollars since the space program started up over 50 years ago, plus several deaths of courageous volunteers and I simply do not see much to show for it.
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hehe Solyndra. You appear upset that the government explores space, you seem upset that private companies explore space - I don't know what to tell you.

GPS - the basis of the United States logistical, commercial, and tactic military advantage.
 
Sorry Chewa - maybe I didn't make myself clear - but not one person had to go into space in order to provide us all with GPS...
..as for the Solyndra reference - again I have no problem if Solyndra wants to develop energy means - but I do have a problem when they take $500 million+ of taxpayer money and it disappears and they fold leaving the taxpayers out that cash...especially when those crooks in DC are the ones making those $500 mil decisions.

I was mainly opposed to the projects that send people into space and to the moon and other planets, fund by taxpayers' $....

Just shooting a rocket up with a satellite that can give us the GPS system we have is OK by me - I simply would want to see some DEFINED benefit from spending the millions - instead of the argument that we need to go and explore.....and spend all the money not even knowing what will come of it.
That's irresponsible in my judgement, but if someone wants to spend their own money then fine.

I'd love for the government to hand me a couple billion and say .. "go somewhere and explore things and let us know what you find.."
I would probably choose Hawaii or Tahiti to start ...wouldn't you??
 
It seems somewhat silly, to assume that GPS would have been simply developed without ever having a manned mission to space to gain knowledge, to do maintenance, to test, etc. Regardless of manned craft or not, NASA allowed GPS to happen which saves thousand (probably more) of lives annually and is invaluable to how our country conducts commerce, war, and transportation.
 
I don't think it is an assumption at all - if you read about the plans for the GPS system - they began way back before we had the capability to send a space shuttle.
The original plans and pretty much how it was carried out was just rocketing satellites into defined orbits.
BUT -- even if GPS was on the list of things we have gained from space exploration....

...I will play the devil's advocate....I know GPS is a great benefit to some and there are commercial and military uses...but we still got where we wanted easily long before GPS - and GPS has done little to affect the lives of most citizens.
I don't own a GPS and I firmly believe I never will. I am quite happy and successful with what I do and cannot see where GPS technology has made much of any impact anywhere in my existence.
So I would need to hear more than GPS to convince me I should appreciate the space program - since it is just one more thing that a nice perk for some but doesn't mean enough to sway me.


Here's where I think we are being silly - talking about sending people to Mars - and even to other star systems looking for life or something of value....but we haven't found any evidence for life "out there" yet despite 50 years of looking with the SETI project and of course even the LEAST habitable place on earth (like the south pole where nobody really wants to go) is still far more habitable than the BEST place we've found anywhere else in our system or beyond.
I'm ok letting people go - just use their own money not mine.....
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/05/24/nasa_goal_manned_trip_to_mars_by_2033_.html
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...ake-to-travel-to-that-exciting-new-exoplanet/
 
GPS in coordination with satellite technology is one of the deadliest weapons created by man. So while it might not affect you while driving your car to the store, Myself, as well as hundreds of thousands of marines, air force, navy, and army personnel have been affected by it. Maybe I see it differently, but I consider something with that track record as more than a perk.
 
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