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  • #16
    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
    Why aren't businesses hiring new employees? It is because of their concerns about increased taxes and Obamacare.

    The Republican budget and tax bills would create jobs. But that concept is foreign to some liberals, who mistakenly think the government can create jobs.
    I agree as much as there are those that mistakenly believe job creation has to come from large corporations. Our economy historically speaking has always been at its best and steadiest when we had sound fundamentals where the SMB market had a fair competitive playing field. In other words low overhead and bureaucratic interference (high taxes, mandates, paper work etc..). The playing field is tilted towards large corporations and until Main Street has the ability to create jobs it will be a very slow recovery for the bottom 1/2 of the workers in our country.

    Originally posted by Beninator View Post
    Here is a good link for you that answers everything! Again, coming from a Speaker who promised a job plan as his number one priority in 2010 if Republicans were eleceted and he was elected to be Speaker of the House.

    http://whenarethejobs.com/
    Ben I'm going with B4L all the way here. The economic policies have been written by both parties the last 20 years that has led to the crisis we are now witnessing. We the people have let special interest rule the agenda and allowed both parties sell our country up the proverbial stream!

    Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
    These clowns are ALL to blame -- Republicans and Democrats! I am SO sick of them all! Our Government disgusts me! Until we impose Congressional term limits our problems as a country will never get fixed. Term limits, campaign finance reform, and fixing/simplifying the tax code are critical to the survival of this country and democracy as we once knew it.
    GREED, POWER and IGNORANCE! There are some that I know that are calling our leaders of the past 20 years traitors and self serving b@$t@rd$!
    "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
      These clowns are ALL to blame -- Republicans and Democrats! I am SO sick of them all! Our Government disgusts me! Until we impose Congressional term limits our problems as a country will never get fixed. Term limits, campaign finance reform, and fixing/simplifying the tax code are critical to the survival of this country and democracy as we once knew it.
      +14.3 trillion. And growing and how much is that helping individual Americans. The one I really don't care for is Alan Greenspan , he was in power way to long and he wasn't even elected, it was only his way and he keep getting reappointed and I kept saying to my friends please no. When he started following the Japanese model of taking our interest rates down methodically, the cuts weren't needed

      I hope no one lost money, there are many that haven't
      It has provided a good opportunity for at-home swing traders.
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      • #18
        Ben, as learned as you are in politics, you should know Presidents don't take "time off." IMO, it's not how much time you are out of the White House, it's when you are out of the White House and twice in the last 2 weeks doesn't look good with the problems we have going on right now. I'm sure you can cite other examples by others, but it doesn't mean this President is doing the right thing.
        What part of illegal don't you understand?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Beninator View Post
          Nice to see that you are siting the GOP propaganda machine in Fox News for your links!


          Furthermore to claim that the stimulus created "no jobs" is a false assertion that conservatives use. Factcheck.org has sited this numerous statements from the CBO.

          "The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That??™s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office."

          "As we have written before, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report in August that said the stimulus bill has "[l]owered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "[i]ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."
          Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there??™s no doubt that the number is positive."

          The economic stimulus package is a favorite target of Republican candidates and groups, but more than a few ads falsely claim it did not create or save any jobs. Some recent examples: Republican House candidate Dan Debicella charges ...




          Also speaking of vacations, why does the right wing continue to bring up this topic when your President Bush was the king of taking vacations?

          "So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

          Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days."

          So not only did President Bush explode the budget, lessen regulations, he took the most time off of any recent President. SMH

          http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20093801.shtml

          Ben, the government is just too big and too inefficient. Even IF and it is a big IF that the stimulus bill actually created jobs, it came at the cost of 276k per job, using the high range of what the CBO stated.

          The problem with the way people view the government today is that the government does not "create" jobs. They either decrease jobs with increased regulations and taxes, or they make it easier for jobs to be created by decreasing regulations and taxes.

          Do some research on the EPA lately and see what they plan to do the energy industry and other large industries in the private sector. Obama's administration is over regulating to the extreme. In July only there were 9 billion in new regulations. In August Obama proposed a 100 billion in new regs. Fortunately the EPA and other parts of the government is getting the heat for these and they most likely will not be implemented.

          One of the most basic understandings of the government is the fact that it is extremely wasteful and inefficient. There is no comparison in this case to the private sector. The government needs to get out the way of the consumer and the business owners.

          I work in the financial sector and review corporate financial on a daily basis, becoming intimately familiar with our customers businesses. The biggest reason they are not currently hiring is because they are unable to forecast and plan. The Obama administration is running wild with the regs and new taxes (Obamacare), and the business owners cannot forecast expenses for out the next 5-10 years because they cant predict what new expenses will come from the government. This causes them to take fewer risks and slow down growth.

          There are a ton of issues with the economy at this point, and no one group or person is responsible 100%, but we can't continue what has been going on the past 3 yrs and expect it to get better.
          Thinking is the hardest work, that is why so few people do it. -Henry Ford

          Yeah...I've been in college for a while now and I'm pretty sure that awesomest is not a word. -Andrew E.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Chico View Post
            ....... it doesn't mean this President is doing the right thing.
            I'm sure those who voted for him must admit that he's been a BIG disappointment. Sadly, I'm not seeing anyone else who seems worthy or up to the job either.

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            • #21
              Don't forget that most of central Illinois is in extreme drought conditions. Now lets see if someone blames Obama for that.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by sousaman2089 View Post
                Don't forget that most of central Illinois is in extreme drought conditions. Now lets see if someone blames Obama for that.
                Too late, he already blamed Bush. In fact I heard after the earthquake out East he named the fault that caused it Bush's Fault.
                What part of illegal don't you understand?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chico View Post
                  Too late, he already blamed Bush. In fact I heard after the earthquake out East he named the fault that caused it Bush's Fault.
                  Hahahaha. I'm guessing the Bush Fault goes from D.C. down to the East border of Texas so when a major earthquake hits, Texas will actually physically secede from the union.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Beninator View Post
                    Furthermore to claim that the stimulus created "no jobs" is a false assertion that conservatives use. Factcheck.org has sited this numerous statements from the CBO.

                    "The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That??™s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office."

                    Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there??™s no doubt that the number is positive."
                    Benny, reading the press releases carefully, all most of the Obama stimulus bill did was extend Federal Welfare to teachers, fire, police and other public servants under the name "stimulus"...The stimulus plan allowed these public employees to stay on the job using federal money to pay them...no different than high cost welfare. I love the fine print, the exact number of jobs created AND saved is difficult to estimate but "no doubt" is positive...These are the same economists that think 7 Trillion in debt is ok...and can't tell what is happening tomorrow. NO ACTUAL STATISTICS EXIST...I don't put a lot of faith in "NO DOUBT"....

                    Barack and his economic genius's stated the Federal Money give away would "churn", or turnover in the economy, and result in multiple trillions of GDP leading us out of the recession....unfortunately, didn't happen.....all people did was pay off debt they had already incurred.
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                    • #25
                      I have some Labor Day thoughts...
                      maybe he needs to get off the bus they just flew him to and set up the teleprompters and read some more words some of his speechwriters penned for him..
                      ....but I am not fooled - he does NOT have a clue to a plan...
                      the real plan that would lead to much more hiring is to tell every business in the US that the government is getting out of their lives, will not mandate new things like health care, and will NOT add new regulations and taxes..

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by tornado View Post
                        the real plan that would lead to much more hiring is to tell every business in the US that the government is getting out of their lives, will not mandate new things like health care, and will NOT add new regulations and taxes..
                        I thought government did just that from around 1982 through Fall 2008....... Look what it gave us.

                        Was Karl Marx partially right about Capitalism? -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14764357

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                        • #27
                          what? since when in your or my lifetime has government ever gotten out of our lives??
                          It just isn't happening but it would be nice

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                          • #28
                            Karl Marx's system hasn't exactly shown any record of success anywhere, has it?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                              Karl Marx's system hasn't exactly shown any record of success anywhere, has it?
                              The article points out the failure of his system; I'm also no proponent of Communism. I have been a GREAT beneficiary of a capitalist society. What the article does a good job of explaining is the ultimate failure of Capitalism and how it may eventually lead to self-destruction; I tend to agree with that part.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                                what? since when in your or my lifetime has government ever gotten out of our lives??
                                It just isn't happening but it would be nice
                                Reagan did a great job of reducing government in our lives and look at the prosperity that it created. Unfortunately, Bush/Clinton/Bush/Congress continued to strip away government regulations and went too far. Thus, we had Wall Street and the Banking system literally rape our country of trillions of dollars of wealth that we will never see again; we will be paying for this mess for the remaider of our lifetime. Believe it not, there are SOME things that government must regulate or you end up with what we see today. Obama DID NOT create the mess we are in today. But, unfortunately, he has not done anything to make things any better. BHO had his chance and he blew it! Now, he too must go!

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