Big Mac admits to steroids

[CABUFan]

[QUOTE=tornado;158375]

Mark McGwire retired and was completely done playing before major league baseball ever had a rule against anything he appears to have done...

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I hear this repeated again and again, but it is simply not true. MLB was not testing for steroids or doing much if anything to enforce the rule against them, but they were banned when McGwire was using them. See below for documentation.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1151761/index.htm

There is also very little doubt that he broke the law by buying and/or possessing steroids without a perscription, whether or not the actual ingestion of them was illegal.

I was a big McGwire fan; I drove 6 hours and paid $100 a piece (at a time when that was a lot of money for me) for bleacher seats in order to be on hand when he hit #61, but I lost a ton of respect for him after his congressional testimony. I'm glad he finally came clean, but let's not pretend he didn't cheat.

[ChewaBrave]

Well there ya go. I have limited knowledge of baseball policies, to be honest I had never really payed the sport any mind till the home run race, things are funny that way.

And I agree, he undoubtedly broke the law somewhere, And I think that a lot of people would agree with that. But breaking the law and getting convicted of breaking the law are two different animals.

i'm not aiming this at you by any means - at this point I'd suggest we use the tax dollars for something useful as opposed to indicting Mcgwire, or investigating the BCS, hah.

[SFP]

Couldn't agree more they saved baseball period. No matter how much they're hurting it now, if it hadn't been for '98 very few would even care that baseball was still around.

Disagree! Baseball in the long run would have survived and perhaps it would still be at a price point that the average citizen could afford to take their families to a game. Could it have sustained some economic difficulty? Yes, but die, No. What sport would have taken it over? Hockey? Soccer? Golf?

Is this appropriate for this board?

Come on Tornado.

This is one area where T has a ton of credibility and I believe he was just taking up for his position which IMO was extremely informative. I understand how T can get under your skin but refrain from attacking for the sake of attacking.

I do not blame McGuire, Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod, or any of the others who used or may have used steroids. I blame The Commissioner and the owners. These guys knew what was going on and they looked the other way..... and as a result they ruined the game of baseball and the integrity of the record book.

B4L I blame them all. These are grown men and they need to take responsibility for their actions. They knew what they were doing was wrong! If they thought they were not doing anything wrong, then why hide it at the time and in public testimonies. I'm not buying into their ignorance as a means to escape from public condemnation. On the other hand I really do not care about this issue as much as other issues that are really harming our society. This is just another example of grown men being greedy in our society regardless of consequences for anyone except their selfish being. Should they get a sniff of being HOFers? I believe each one should get a chance just like any other player but if Robbie Alomar did not get in for spitting then these guys should stay out for doping.

[Bradleyguy10]

I took my sons to the game when he broke the record. Thought we witnessed history and have had that taken away from us. My wife and I went to a game 3 years ago and when Bonds came to bat, the Cardinal fans booed profusely. Will those fans do the same when Mac walks onto the field or will they stand and cheer him?

I went to the game he tied the record...pretty neat no matter what though. Also I went to the first home game of Matt Holliday as a cardinal this last season. You can connect the dots if you remember which team we played....


The Dodgers. Talk about feeling ashamed of the cardinal faithful when we let Manny Ramirez hear it. I dislike the guy as much as the next but booing him for steroids when most still idolized McGwire was a little childish IMO. Let alone having a closer, an outfielder, an injured but still on the roster 3rd basemen, and a first basemen that some would swear their life on has taken roids. The cardinals organization is one of the most tainted franchises when it comes to the steroid era and we have the nerve to boo Ramirez. Needless to say I did not boo. He's an ***** for taking them as recently as he did with all the testing but dang.

I just read this thread for the first time today. It's pretty funny actually. I want to assure you Tornado that I do not have multiple accounts that I use where I can go against your every word.

It's not me this time!!

[Beninator]

B4L I blame them all. These are grown men and they need to take responsibility for their actions. They knew what they were doing was wrong! If they thought they were not doing anything wrong, then why hide it at the time and in public testimonies. I'm not buying into their ignorance as a means to escape from public condemnation. On the other hand I really do not care about this issue as much as other issues that are really harming our society. This is just another example of grown men being greedy in our society regardless of consequences for anyone except their selfish being. Should they get a sniff of being HOFers? I believe each one should get a chance just like any other player but if Robbie Alomar did not get in for spitting then these guys should stay out for doping.

I blame them all as well SFP. I think that some players are getting off the hook though. Look at ARod. He admitted to using steroids, yet it seems to me that he is getting off the hook on this as he is chasing the career home run record. My personal opinion is that if a player is found to have used steroids, then the only way that player could get into the HOF is through the Veterans Committee. This way, that player has a chance to at least redeem himself in some meaningful way and do something beneficial to the game. However, I am not saying that the Veterans Committee should automatically elect these players.

Roberto Alomar gets into the HOF next year. Book it!

[tornado]

even with spit-gate??

[Beninator]

even with spit-gate??

sure.. Alomar reconciled everything with the umpire. People make mistakes and at least Alomar atoned for his. I have argued that Alomar is not a first ballot HOF'er, but he does belong. Ty Cobb did much worse back in the day!

[SFP]

even with spit-gate??

What you need to be a saint to get in?? If that was the case not even the Babe would be in! His numbers speak volumes of why he should be in. I did not think the HOF was a personality contest.