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  • #16
    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
    Thanks for your opinions, but, though I am no expert, when I watch the Bears I see Cutler barely get time to raise his arm before the other team's D-line is on him, I see receivers who never get separation and appear to have D-backs surgically attached to them, I see an O-line that can't open any holes for the running backs, the receivers who can't gain any yards after catches, an offensive coordinator who seems to always call the play that the opponent is expecting them to call, receivers who never seem to know what adjustments to make when the quarterback does call an audible- they just run the same route the play called for and they don't adjust to the audible, and of course, a porous defense. Most of the interceptions aren't all his fault.
    To me, Cutler clearly has skills that previous Bears quarterbacks never had. It was not an accident that he was a Pro Bowl quarterback. If the geniuses who run the Bears would have surrounded him with players who could actually play at the level of the NFL, he would be playing at a Pro-Bowl level again.

    DC.....great post!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
      Thanks for your opinions, but, though I am no expert, when I watch the Bears I see Cutler barely get time to raise his arm before the other team's D-line is on him, I see receivers who never get separation and appear to have D-backs surgically attached to them, I see an O-line that can't open any holes for the running backs, the receivers who can't gain any yards after catches, an offensive coordinator who seems to always call the play that the opponent is expecting them to call, receivers who never seem to know what adjustments to make when the quarterback does call an audible- they just run the same route the play called for and they don't adjust to the audible, and of course, a porous defense. Most of the interceptions aren't all his fault.
      To me, Cutler clearly has skills that previous Bears quarterbacks never had. It was not an accident that he was a Pro Bowl quarterback. If the geniuses who run the Bears would have surrounded him with players who could actually play at the level of the NFL, he would be playing at a Pro-Bowl level again.

      Amen to all of that! I'm not necessarily saying that Cutler is a top 3 QB, but to compare him with Kyle Orton??? People in Denver are begging for Chris Simms to start for crying out loud. And....sometimes it IS other people's fault that a player is struggling. Look at Derrick Rose. Until he gets some playmakers beside him, we'll never know how good he can be.

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      • #18
        Just wondering because I don't know, what was the big drawing card that brought Cutler to the Bears? Didn't he know they were as bad as you guys say? Did the Bears offer him so much $$$ he couldn't refuse?
        What part of illegal don't you understand?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Chico View Post
          Just wondering because I don't know, what was the big drawing card that brought Cutler to the Bears? Didn't he know they were as bad as you guys say? Did the Bears offer him so much $$$ he couldn't refuse?
          Cutler wanted out of Denver and Denver wanted him gone (he had become a cancer). There was really no choice for Cutler. The Bears came up with the best offer to Denver and met Cutler's price demand. Time will tell if he's the real deal. But, no doubt, he probably never imagined the Bears' Offensive line would be so bad. I'm sure he also thought they'd sign a talented WR; they didn't...... and now they suck!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by doug shank's crossover View Post
            Amen to all of that! I'm not necessarily saying that Cutler is a top 3 QB, but to compare him with Kyle Orton??? People in Denver are begging for Chris Simms to start for crying out loud. And....sometimes it IS other people's fault that a player is struggling. Look at Derrick Rose. Until he gets some playmakers beside him, we'll never know how good he can be.
            No....trust me they're not. Chris Simms is flat out awful. This is King Neckbeard's current status in the mile high city:


            Look at it this way. They got replaced a guy who cried his way out of town, quite literally, for 2 1st round picks and KO was essentially a freebie. Pretty easy guy to like if you think about it....doesn't complain, just grows neckbeards and wins football games. If Mcdaniels can make anything out of him, it's a win. Plus he's not doin half bad
            WE WANT HEEMSKERK!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BuBraves55 View Post
              No....trust me they're not. Chris Simms is flat out awful. This is King Neckbeard's current status in the mile high city:


              Look at it this way. They got replaced a guy who cried his way out of town, quite literally, for 2 1st round picks and KO was essentially a freebie. Pretty easy guy to like if you think about it....doesn't complain, just grows neckbeards and wins football games. If Mcdaniels can make anything out of him, it's a win. Plus he's not doin half bad
              Just to be sure, are you placing blame on Cutler for all the problems in chicago?
              cuz it sounds like you are.

              If that is the case, then lets get Caleb Hanie in there and see how a QB w/ no experience does w/ one of the worst O-Lines in the league.

              It is not "just Cutler's fault." of his int. there are a handful that are flukes off of reciever's hands, some falling down, some that are TERRIBLE play calls, and some that are him throwing into triple coverage.

              There is enough blame for the bears to go around. To put the blame on a QB for the entire team woe's is ignorant and absurd. The only time a QB has that much impact on a team is in college football when a QB is the leader and overall offensive producer (USC).

              Bears will hopefully rethink the administration this offseason and make some big coaching moves
              Gloria: Who's side are you on?
              Jay: She's my daughter, you're my wife. Let's remember what's important, there's a football game on today

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              • #22
                Originally posted by doug shank's crossover View Post
                Amen to all of that! I'm not necessarily saying that Cutler is a top 3 QB, but to compare him with Kyle Orton??? People in Denver are begging for Chris Simms to start for crying out loud. And....sometimes it IS other people's fault that a player is struggling. Look at Derrick Rose. Until he gets some playmakers beside him, we'll never know how good he can be.
                Um...no one in denver is even asking Simms to start, let alone crying out.

                Orton is a very "capable" QB (thank you Brian Urlacher) and when you have an elite WR, great O-line, 2 Good RBs, and a smart Offensive mind calling the plays, you are gonna win games.
                Gloria: Who's side are you on?
                Jay: She's my daughter, you're my wife. Let's remember what's important, there's a football game on today

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BUconnorD View Post
                  Um...no one in denver is even asking Simms to start, let alone crying out.

                  Orton is a very "capable" QB (thank you Brian Urlacher) and when you have an elite WR, great O-line, 2 Good RBs, and a smart Offensive mind calling the plays, you are gonna win games.
                  Well, sports talk radio, espn, and various other reports that I've heard over the past months (not recently) have indicated that there's a contingent that would love to see what Simms can do. If there isn't that discussion in Denver, then it would be the first NFL city ever....ever.....that didn't have a discussion that the backup needs to play. What's the old saying...the most popular guy in town is the backup QB? I'm not implying that Simms is better than Orton....some folks in Denver are doing that. I lived in Indy for 4 years and and heard people call for Jim Sorgy when Payton would have a couple of bad games in a row!!! It happens.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BUconnorD View Post
                    Just to be sure, are you placing blame on Cutler for all the problems in chicago?
                    cuz it sounds like you are.

                    If that is the case, then lets get Caleb Hanie in there and see how a QB w/ no experience does w/ one of the worst O-Lines in the league.

                    It is not "just Cutler's fault." of his int. there are a handful that are flukes off of reciever's hands, some falling down, some that are TERRIBLE play calls, and some that are him throwing into triple coverage.

                    There is enough blame for the bears to go around. To put the blame on a QB for the entire team woe's is ignorant and absurd. The only time a QB has that much impact on a team is in college football when a QB is the leader and overall offensive producer (USC).

                    Bears will hopefully rethink the administration this offseason and make some big coaching moves
                    No, all the Bear's woes don't fall on Cutler's shoulders. I am more critical of Angelo than Cutler, going with the popular, "Madden" decision instead of sticking with what has worked for the Bears for decades. He gave up the house and that's naturally gonna put up some decent sized expectations. At the same time, you can't dismiss Cutler for everything. If he truly is a top 5 quarterback... Well, do you think the Bears would be 5-7 with Brees, Manning, or Brady back there? Cutler single-handily lost a few games this year (49ers) and hasn't exactly helped in most.
                    WE WANT HEEMSKERK!

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                    • #25
                      All I can say about Cutler is he has been my fantasy football QB the last 2 years... last year Denver did not run the ball but he got protection and was fantastic. This year the Bears also do not run the ball but he gets NO protection and he has been horrible.

                      Football games are won upfront on both sides of the ball, the Bears upfront on O is not going to win to many games.

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