An Odd Story of Cruel Fate and Michael Vick

[tornado]

From the first wind of the Michael Vick story...his biggest critic and the face that showed up on the MOST talk shows attacking Vick for his cruelty
has been Robin Starr, the head and CEO of the Richmond (Virginia) Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Today it is being reported that she left her own dog in a locked, closed car on a hot day and her dog died.
It was a very hot day, in the 90's, in Richmond, VA, when Starr locked her own elderly dog into her completely closed up car for at least four hours, causing the dog to die a cruel death from suffocation and heat stroke.
She claims she didn't know the dog was in the car.

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5606

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5is1btFRqS84jQt9YzA4Uqgy6_FtAD9AAM6800

I don't want to get into an argument over this, but just maybe this can teach some people not to be so hateful with their attacks on others... ?

[SFP]

I don't want to get into an argument over this, but just maybe this can teach some people not to be so hateful with their attacks on others... ?

AMEN T! Will she give up her post now!

[lake Camelot]

Yes...but

I see your point about being hateful to others, but this really could have been an accident from the description of the events. That is not the same as the Vick case which was no accident. But I see the point about people that will never be satisfied with any punishment Vick serves, yet they may have problems that other people would hold against them.
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Long story that makes me think this could be an accident. It is really depressing to someone with young kids like me. When I lived in Madison WI a few years ago there was a lady who had an autistic son who was around 7 I believe. He had other emotional problems. They had a second child (a baby). The older child was having so many problems that they were told to put him into a care facility. So on the first night he was there. He was so upset that nobody could control him. They called the family and the mother went to the hospital to try and calm him. She ended up being there the whole night with no sleep. The next night the father showed up at the daycare to pick up the baby and they told him she never came to drop him off. He called her and just then she realized she had drove to work and never dropped the baby off. The baby was dead from the heat.
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I just think it is possible this could be a similar error if the dog was maybe just sleeping in the back. Maybe she never knew.

[dogsrus]

What SHE did, if true, was possibly stoopid and most likley horrible mistake on her part.

To compare that to what Vick INTENTIONALLY did is beyond comprehension. Vick intentionally and with malice and forethought killed, mamed and used living creatures for fun, profit and entertainment.

Absolutley NO comparison what-so-ever.

My goodness......


With that said Vick has payed his debt to society,,I hope he has learned his lesson and becomes a better person through his mistake.

[jeffsu]

I don't think T was saying that she was as cruel as Vick. We all know (including Vick himself) that what he did was cruel.

But it also just shows that when you intentionally wrangle someone else and their mistakes (often for your own exposure) you open yourself up to this story becoming a big deal.

Karma's a... you know

[dogsrus]

I don't think T was saying that she was as cruel as Vick. We all know (including Vick himself) that what he did was cruel.

But it also just shows that when you intentionally wrangle someone else and their mistakes (often for your own exposure) you open yourself up to this story becoming a big deal.

Karma's a... you know

OK...so I should NOT speak out against spousal abuse becuase someday I may swing a hammer an accidentally split my wifes head open.


I should NOT crusade against Child abuse becuase someday I may accidentally back over my kid who's playing behind my car.

Sorry...I'm not following the logic.

[tornado]

let's put it this way...if I am told I MUST leave the country and my pet will be cared for while I am gone by one of these two individuals...

then should I choose the one who:
--...harmed his own animals intentionally but claims to have changed his ways...

or

--...should I trust the one who is careless or negligent enough to not even know where her own pet was thus resulting needlessly in the death of one she didn't intend to hurt?


...I am not sure I'd feel much safer with either one than the other...but the one who was extremely careless and killed a beloved pet that she did NOT intend to isn't likely to be my favored choice.

[real fan]

The biggest problem I have in the Vick case is there were a lot more people involved yet he was punished the most because of his stature, the other thing is he will have spent more time behing bars then Stallworth did for killing a human being , I do not condone what Vick did but something is wrong with our judicial system when animals are more relevant then humans.

[shaunguth]

The biggest problem I have in the Vick case is there were a lot more people involved yet he was punished the most because of his stature, the other thing is he will have spent more time behing bars then Stallworth did for killing a human being , I do not condone what Vick did but something is wrong with our judicial system when animals are more relevant then humans.

I completely agree with that statement!

[ser_solace]

The biggest problem I have in the Vick case is there were a lot more people involved yet he was punished the most because of his stature, the other thing is he will have spent more time behing bars then Stallworth did for killing a human being , I do not condone what Vick did but something is wrong with our judicial system when animals are more relevant then humans.

I think in the Stallworth case he paid a huge sum in restitution to the family. So, the victim's family agreed to the lesser punishment. If the family had wanted him to be punished, the judge probably would have seriously taken it into consideration.

[jeffsu]

...I do not condone what Vick did but something is wrong with our judicial system when animals are more relevant then humans.

No kidding!

Even think Plaxico Burress... Dumb for carrying a gun with him (and yes, I understand that he was treated an an "example" for others)... but he gets 2 years and Dante Stallworth, KILLING a human being while drinking and driving, gets a slap? Please.

Settlement or not... ability to PAY OFF a family should have no impact on the judge's sentence.

[Murph]

[quote=tornado I don't want to get into an argument over this, but just maybe this can teach some people not to be so hateful with their attacks on others... ?[/quote]


Larry Craig, are you listening?

[TheAsianSensation]

The last thing people should do is try to compare different cases. Different laws, different circumstances. Vick/Stallworth comparisons are silly at best.

You just can't compare 2 completely separate cases.

[dogsrus]

The last thing people should do is try to compare different cases. Different laws, different circumstances. Vick/Stallworth comparisons are silly at best.

You just can't compare 2 completely separate cases.

Amen....plus we get into 'intent" again. Stallworth is paying a heavy price. (yes he's still alive)...but he will never be allowed to drive again, he's under a long house arrest. Yes I understand it beats the heck out of jail. And a myriad of other pentalties.

Do you also know the man he killed was also drunk and wandered into traffic......he is partially responsible for what happened to himself.

Asian is correct....you can't and don't compare these entirely different circumstances. Our judicial system isn't perfect but no one is placing a higher value on the life of animals than people but the way PEOPLE act and behave I'm starting to wonder if we should "favor" the animals.......

The out of court type settlement Stallworth got is what the family agreed to. No matter what WE think it was their family memeber that was lost.


I will agree Plaxico got ****** IMO. 2 years for shooting HIMSELF. Sorry 60 days in jail for carrying the gun and 5 years probabtion with 200 hours of community service.
What good does it serve having him in jail for 2 flippin years.

Again..there was no intent to kill or injure on his part...he was basically just stoopid.....as was Stallworth. They BOTH are still responsible but INTENT is a HUGE factor in our judicial system.

[dogsrus]

let's put it this way...if I am told I MUST leave the country and my pet will be cared for while I am gone by one of these two individuals...

then should I choose the one who:
--...harmed his own animals intentionally but claims to have changed his ways...

or

--...should I trust the one who is careless or negligent enough to not even know where her own pet was thus resulting needlessly in the death of one she didn't intend to hurt?


...I am not sure I'd feel much safer with either one than the other...but the one who was extremely careless and killed a beloved pet that she did NOT intend to isn't likely to be my favored choice.

After the fact its an easy choice......or its easy for a person to say I wouldn't want either one.

We send our kids to school everyday and we have NO idea if the person watching them will be responsible or will they make a grave error in judgement that ends up harming my child?

I can live with or should I say I factor in to my decisions that accidents happen. Its a part of life. I hope and pray people act responsibly but knowing my own shortcomings I wont cast dispersions towards someone who made an honest mistake.

If someone acts with malice and forethought with clear INTENT to harm or kill though we have a problem.....