A-Rod

[BUconnorD]

It's scary and sad

but really, is there much that can be done?

my theory is to just put the axe on nearly EVERYTHING. Just start fresh

yea it sucks, yea the records suck, but we hsould expose baseball and just make people tough again, go back to the good ole days when a hotdog and cigar were your performance enhancing drugs!
ie, Lou Gehrig, shoeless Joe, cal ripkin

[Murph]

Funny--
a few years ago when I said on another message board that many if not most of the top baseball players are using steroids...I was laughed at and scolded for such talk.

Some Cardinal fans still won't accept the fact that pimple faced Mark McGwire used steroids while setting all his records.


Steroids is why I no longer have any interest in baseball.


I bet Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Ernie Banks and Hank Aaron never used steroids.

[Murph]

Scouter, for future posting A-Rod is now being referred to as A-Roid

[Murph]

discovering that ARod was using steroids is like discovering that Michael Jackson
has had his facial appearance altered with plastic surgery....duh....

Talk about cheap shots.

[houstontxbrave]

"I will say it again.........watch any highlight reel from 25 years ago and see how even the biggest and strongest guys in baseball were mere twigs compared to the bodies we see today."

I know no one in Peoria wants to think about it but take a long look at Thome when he was with Cleveland in the early to mid 90's, sometimes classic runs the no hitter Abbott threw v Cleveland, and the Thome of the Cleveland World Series and even into his late years with Cleveland and with Philadelphia. He was thin and then he became this huge physical man.

He has to be lumped in with everyone and sorry but he has to be assumed guilty.

Look the bottom line is that baseball players, every last one of them, lost the assumption of innocence a long time ago. They are all guilty regardless of what they want to tell you. Grown men, who are professional athletes do not put on huge amounts of muscle, have their feet grow or have their heads grow without something foreign being used to assist.

[Beninator]

"I will say it again.........watch any highlight reel from 25 years ago and see how even the biggest and strongest guys in baseball were mere twigs compared to the bodies we see today."

I know no one in Peoria wants to think about it but take a long look at Thome when he was with Cleveland in the early to mid 90's, sometimes classic runs the no hitter Abbott threw v Cleveland, and the Thome of the Cleveland World Series and even into his late years with Cleveland and with Philadelphia. He was thin and then he became this huge physical man.

He has to be lumped in with everyone and sorry but he has to be assumed guilty.

Look the bottom line is that baseball players, every last one of them, lost the assumption of innocence a long time ago. They are all guilty regardless of what they want to tell you. Grown men, who are professional athletes do not put on huge amounts of muscle, have their feet grow or have their heads grow without something foreign being used to assist.

All I will add to this is that I knew and talked to Thome when he was in the Cleveland minor league system. When Thome was in A and AA ball, he was very very scrawny...........

[houstontxbrave]

I used Thome as an example of a guy who no one every associates with Steroids or any usage but he played in the era of Steroids and he went from one body type to another, not just filling out naturally but filling out hugely.

I respect all the good Thome has done and want to believe he is clean and I do personally know him and his family, I played baseball with him in high school, but regardless of personal feelings it is impossible to not connect the dots.

[Beninator]

I used Thome as an example of a guy who no one every associates with Steroids or any usage but he played in the era of Steroids and he went from one body type to another, not just filling out naturally but filling out hugely.

I respect all the good Thome has done and want to believe he is clean and I do personally know him and his family, I played baseball with him in high school, but regardless of personal feelings it is impossible to not connect the dots.

Same here...Thome has done a lot of good things and he is a great person.... I knew Thome through a mutual friend who was also a minor league player at that time. And Houston, I saw the same transformation you did.

[afan]

At least he's man enough to admit that he used.

Murph, you are my hero, but how could you say that he is at least man enough to admit it! He only admitted it because he got caught. Pleasssseeee!!!!!

[Scouter]

Murph, you are my hero, but how could you say that he is at least man enough to admit it! He only admitted it because he got caught. Pleasssseeee!!!!!

Again, Murph was referring to Canseco, not A-Roid.

[Murph]

Again, Murph was referring to Canseco, not A-Roid.

I edited my post to avoid any confusion.

[SFP]

I bet Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Ernie Banks and Hank Aaron never used steroids.

I bet they were using Greenie's! Let's not get to carried away on how the past everyone was clean. This was just a situation that got out of hand and we happen to be living in it! Things will be cleaned up and then in our lifetime there will be another such scandal. When baseball or any other pro-sport saves lives then I'll be a lot more concerned.

[Beninator]

I bet they were using Greenie's! Let's not get to carried away on how the past everyone was clean.

Agree...

The other night I was reading parts of The Bill James Baseball Historical Abstract. In a section about Babe Ruth, there was a story about a bat that the Babe used that was put on tour around the U.S. by Hillerich and Bradsby in 1983. When the tour reached Seattle, some of the Mariner players were present to look at the bat. What the players discovered, was that the Babe's bat was corked!

[Murph]

I bet they were using Greenie's! Let's not get to carried away on how the past everyone was clean. This was just a situation that got out of hand and we happen to be living in it! Things will be cleaned up and then in our lifetime there will be another such scandal. When baseball or any other pro-sport saves lives then I'll be a lot more concerned.

Like I said, I bet they never used STEROIDS.

[SFP]

Like I said, I bet they never used STEROIDS.

Of course they did not! Steroids and HGH or pretty new to the scene but they did use a lot of amphetamines back in the day. I heard one report back in the 60s there were jars filled with little green pills in the locker room. Also it has been only the last 3-4 decades where lifting weights and conditioning in the off-season has been so regimented. We can't go and take these records off the books because every generation has its ghost. During Babe Ruth era was segregation so Babe was hitting against inferior talent. Then there was the dead ball era where pitchers era were really down, should we take their records down? As I said before there are much greater things to worry about thena bunch of grown men trying to hit a ball. I love baseball but the media and our politicians are spending way to much time on this. What they should do is if caught with steroids or any Peds from here on out is suspend you for two years and if there is a next time make it a lifetime ban. That I believe would act as a deterent.