Whelliston at Carver tommorrow

[Dubl R 1]

What has he said about Bradley that was inaccurate?

I don't think anyone said he did. Don't we always want accurate info about BU in any report that is written? Why question his comment? Now if he said, Hopefully with inaccurate info, then we should question it.

[squirrel]

Obviously. So why bring up the accuracy point at all?

[ER3]

Kyle Whelliston doesn't owe anyone at BU an apology...and I really don't understand why anyone really cares all that much about what he wrote. There were multiple instances last year where BU players were arrested/ticketed after their involvement in criminal/illegal activities. He labeled us as a "renegade program" as a result.
Do I consider the BU program a "renegade program"? No...but I don't think he needs to retract his statement or offer some formal apology either. There were bad "police blotter" instances that happened with this team last year...Whelliston saw that and voiced his opinion on the matter...He never labeled us as the most blatantly corrupt program in the country or the only program to have any legal problems in the country...If he had portrayed us in that light, then yes, I would call those inaccurate statements and would expect a retraction of some sort.
A national reporter is here to cover the BU program tonight...it would be really nice if he was able to walk away from this experience with positive things to write about our team, our fans, our basketball environment, etc...rather than having an article come out talking about getting hassled by a bunch of petty fans that threw beer on him and demanded apologies from him for using the phrase 'renegade program'...Let it go...it's really not a big deal.

[tornado]

...There were multiple instances last year where BU players were arrested/ticketed after their involvement in criminal/illegal activities. ....

--First...I am not so sure I actually agree with this.
One player was arrested (DRuff) and the others were cited...

--but if the coach is responsible for all of such behavior, then why single out Bradley when so many, many other schools have had far, far more of such behavior (such as ISU, U of I, UNI, etc....) and somehow, Whelliston gives all those coaches a complete pass and it isn't their fault at all!

[squirrel]

Kyle Whelliston doesn't owe anyone at BU an apology...and I really don't understand why anyone really cares all that much about what he wrote. There were multiple instances last year where BU players were arrested/ticketed after their involvement in criminal/illegal activities. He labeled us as a "renegade program" as a result.
Do I consider the BU program a "renegade program"? No...but I don't think he needs to retract his statement or offer some formal apology either. There were bad "police blotter" instances that happened with this team last year...Whelliston saw that and voiced his opinion on the matter...He never labeled us as the most blatantly corrupt program in the country or the only program to have any legal problems in the country...If he had portrayed us in that light, then yes, I would call those inaccurate statements and would expect a retraction of some sort.
A national reporter is here to cover the BU program tonight...it would be really nice if he was able to walk away from this experience with positive things to write about our team, our fans, our basketball environment, etc...rather than having an article come out talking about getting hassled by a bunch of petty fans that threw beer on him and demanded apologies from him for using the phrase 'renegade program'...Let it go...it's really not a big deal.

Exactly. What he wrote last year was based on exactly that. . .embarrassing facts. Like it or not.

People are mad because he chose to use BU as the example. It's funny how people wish to be the example everyone wants to follow, but excused when they are pointed out as a bad example.

[tornado]

so now, in an effort to spin Whelliston's horrific jumping to conclusions and unfairly branding BU as somehow worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations...
suddenly it isn't "renegade behavior", it's just "embarrassing facts".....hmmmm



PS-- I think I'll print this off and give it to Whelliston if I see him tonight, surely' he'll want to know..
I suspect he already knows about Binghamton as much as they've been in the news.

http://www.sbindependent.org/node/2571

And does he know one of Wisconsin's starters now has 3 DUI's?

[it's boogie time]

I think he would be an interesting guy to talk with over a drink before or after the game.

Hopefully, he makes it up to campus to check out the new construction.

[Beninator]

Kyle Whelliston doesn't owe anyone at BU an apology...and I really don't understand why anyone really cares all that much about what he wrote. There were multiple instances last year where BU players were arrested/ticketed after their involvement in criminal/illegal activities. He labeled us as a "renegade program" as a result.
Do I consider the BU program a "renegade program"? No...but I don't think he needs to retract his statement or offer some formal apology either. There were bad "police blotter" instances that happened with this team last year...Whelliston saw that and voiced his opinion on the matter...He never labeled us as the most blatantly corrupt program in the country or the only program to have any legal problems in the country...If he had portrayed us in that light, then yes, I would call those inaccurate statements and would expect a retraction of some sort.
A national reporter is here to cover the BU program tonight...it would be really nice if he was able to walk away from this experience with positive things to write about our team, our fans, our basketball environment, etc...rather than having an article come out talking about getting hassled by a bunch of petty fans that threw beer on him and demanded apologies from him for using the phrase 'renegade program'...Let it go...it's really not a big deal.

ER3, I usually agree with the majority of your posts.. However, I disagree with portions of this post. A national reporter labled us a a "renegade program". I believe this is an innaccurate and excesive label. Why? A true renegade program would have swept a lot of this under the rug. In our case, suspensions were handed out to the players and the issues were confronted.. Last year's issues are social issues that can and do happen at any school. If Whelliston wants to travel the country to look for renegade programs, I have a couple of suggestions for his itinerary.

[Double D]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't he call for OUR HEAD COACH'S RESIGNATION.

I think that is going a little farther than using BU as an example and "stating some embarrasing facts."

If I were KK, Bobby Parker, or esp. JL, I would have a hard time just pretending that never happened. I also don't believe if I were Kyle W. that I would simply show up to cover a game and expect everyone to ignore that type of statement.

I think he needs to state either in his blog or the article he writes about our game if he still believes JL should resign. Obviously nothing has happened since then to change what happened last winter.

Again, I want to have the Whellitson visit to be nothing but a positive thing and I'm not agruing someones right to say what happened here last year was wrong, but I don't know how BU or Kyle W, can expect to completely ignore what was written.

[tornado]

amen....true renegade programs actually go out and recruit kids who are troublemakers, and known violators, or keep them and let them play undisciplined even when they DO commit serious violations.

NONE of that has ever occurred at Bradley, but it sure has at numerous other D-I programs even within driving range of Peoria....even kids with felonies have been allowed to remain on the team until they embarrassingly self destructed.

[ER3]

so now, in an effort to spin Whelliston's horrific jumping to conclusions and unfairly branding BU as somehow worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations...
suddenly it isn't "renegade behavior", it's just "embarrassing facts".....hmmmm

But where did he ever actually say that BU was "worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations"?
That is what you infer from his "renegade program" statement...but that was not his statement. We had a bad stretch last year where multiple players got in trouble with the law...those incidents wound up in the paper...an outsider read about those incidents, and obviously had the thoughts, "wow, what the heck is going on there at BU?...Has Les lost control of his program or what?"...so he gave his opinion on our program based his interpretation of the legal issues going on...
He never said BU is the worst program in America, he never said no other school in the country has legal issues come up...He just noticed our couple of problems last year and formed an opinion based on them. You don't agree with his opinion, I think that it was a little blown out of porportion...that's fine...but it really shouldn't be something that anyone is still angry about or bothered by. He didn't misrepresent any facts about BU, it was just an outsider's opinion based on some embarrassing events that took place off the court for our program last year.
Tonight we have the opportunity to show him an on court experience that paints us in a much better light...that is what we should be talking about now that Whelliston is going to be in Peoria tonight...

[tornado]

OK..you're right, since Whelliston didn't actually SAY Bradley is the worst program ever, then I guess I still like him a lot and will kiss up to him tonight.

[Scouter]

ER3, I usually agree with the majority of your posts.. However, I disagree with portions of this post. A national reporter labled us a a "renegade program". I believe this is an innaccurate and excesive label. Why? A true renegade program would have swept a lot of this under the rug. In our case, suspensions were handed out to the players and the issues were confronted.. Last year's issues are social issues that can and do happen at any school. If Whelliston wants to travel the country to look for renegade programs, I have a couple of suggestions for his itinerary.

Don't agree with the bolded statement. TW and TCS suited up to play against ISU the night after their incident. TW even scored the game-winning points. It's not like their suspensions were handed out right away. Wasn't their punishment originally kept in-house and handled by having them do extra work after practice? It wasn't until JoJo Glasser stepped in that they were suspended for the WSU game.

[squirrel]

Don't agree with the bolded statement. TW and TCS suited up to play against ISU the night after their incident. TW even scored the game-winning points. It's not like their suspensions were handed out right away. Wasn't their punishment originally kept in-house and handled by having them do extra work after practice. It wasn't until JoJo Glasser stepped in that they were suspended for the WSU game.

And it was after THAT the comments were written.

[tornado]

they were disciplined as you well know.....
TW was docked the start, and the discipline was definitely MORE and MORE visible than what has occurred at Illinois State, SIU, etc...even though those violations were CONSIDERABLY more serious.