Whelliston at Carver tommorrow

[dogsrus]

[QUOTE=ER3;97456]But where did he ever actually say that BU was "worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations"?
That is what you infer from his "renegade program" statement...but that was not his statement. We had a bad stretch last year where multiple players got in trouble with the law...those incidents wound up in the paper...an outsider read about those incidents, and obviously had the thoughts, "wow, what the heck is going on there at BU?...Has Les lost control of his program or what?"...so he gave his opinion on our program based his interpretation of the legal issues going on...



So a "bad stretch" as you put it makes a program "renegade?" WOW. IF he was asking "did Les lose control of the program" then OBVIOUSLY he didn't know if he had or hadn't. Nothing wrong with questioning what was going on and seeking answers but basing his use of calling us a renegade program off of a couple incidents is going to far IMO.

Renegade is outside the norm IMO....its above and beyond what is happening at most other places. Its repeating the same incidents with no policy, direction or control from all those involved. Its an administration that turns its head and in essence condones the behaviors by NOT taking action. Does any of this describe BU. I don't think so.


Question what is going on then do a follow up. Ask questions like...was punishment swift and in proportion to the "crime". Have there been repeated incidents? How have the players involved done since the incidents?

Sorry but he was irresponsible and needs to be called out in a professional manner IMO.

[Out of Bounce]

amen....true renegade programs actually go out and recruit kids who are troublemakers, and known violators, or keep them and let them play undisciplined even when they DO commit serious violations.

NONE of that has ever occurred at Bradley, but it sure has at numerous other D-I programs even within driving range of Peoria....even kids with felonies have been allowed to remain on the team until they embarrassingly self destructed.

T, I won't disagree here with you that there is far worse programs then BU has and nothing happens to the players who are involved, nor are some of the schools and coach's called out. But the fact of the matter is BU had some problems last year which involved the authorities, there were arrests and to BU's credit, actions were taken against the players in a fast appropriate matter. Does this make BU a renegade program, HELL NO. This writer as so many do take the facts (police reports and so) in hand and go with it. Not much further investigation ever accrues. This can lead to all kinds of negative things being said and reported, without the whole story (how the matter was handled). But it is what it is and no matter how we look at this if those issues had not happen (no matter how we look at it) we would not be talking about this today and our arms would be wide open for this writer to visit Carver tonight or for that matter visit BU anytime. Hopefully this will be a better year in those regards.

[dogsrus]

WOW...why can't everyone just let this go....

Good and bad, this is what we are...


Not everyone goes to church Sat, Sun, and Wed, and then does community service the other 4 days a week guys...

We aren't the greatest program in the world, but we are very far from the Memphis' and Kansas' of the world where nothing is everything and everything is something suspicious...


Oh, and did anyone mention Baylor? We could've been dealing w/ that...


Just LET IT GO! Give the guy a warm welcome and act like nothing happened...I mean really, he can realize he made his own mistake by calling for Les' head.

With all due respect Stl. if someone called your kid a delinquent in the school paper for soaping windows one nite and called his parents out-of-control enablers asking the DCFS to investigate you...then a couple weeks later he came to your school function wouldn't you at least approach him and ask for answers or an explanation as to why he felt those labels and accusations were cast?

[dogsrus]

T, I won't disagree here with you that there is far worse programs then BU has and nothing happens to the players who are involved, nor are some of the schools and coach's called out. But the fact of the matter is BU had some problems last year which involved the authorities, there were arrests and to BU's credit, actions were taken against the players in a fast appropriate matter. Does this make BU a renegade program, HELL NO. This writer as so many do take the facts (police reports and so) in hand and go with it. Not much further investigation ever accrues. This can lead to all kinds of negative things being said and reported, without the whole story (how the matter was handled). But it is what it is and no matter how we look at this if those issues had not happen (no matter how we look at it) we would not be talking about this today and our arms would be wide open for this writer to visit Carver tonight or for that matter visit BU anytime. Hopefully this will be a better year in those regards.

Everything you said is true OOB but SOME people think others should be held accountable for what they write/say while others choose to just just to let it go.

If some want to ignore it thats THEIR choice but I don't think its fair to call out those that feel people should be accountable for what they say.

I mean the guy wrote this and its a serious or at least a strong opinion. If he can't handle the negativity that might follow an article/blog like that then don't write it in the first place. IF he has the courage of his convictions he should have NO problem responding to a few questions correct?

No one is asking for his job or to have him strung up outside the arena just tell us how you feel know AFTER the fact.

[Scouter]

The incidents you note were handled appropriately and well by Bradley. Restitution was made immediately, and Brown was booted. Bradley did not knowingly break any rules or contribute to these violations by negligence or failing to punish athletes..
These did not involve anyone being arrested, and the Star incident was called a clerical mistake by the NCAA.
Many other programs have had DUIs and various other criminal issues with players who's punishments were lighter than the 2 BU athletes.

I don't disagree with any of that, DC. Just pointing out to Connor that what happened last season was not the first time Bradley has dealt with "incidents" in the last couple years.

[Out of Bounce]

Everything you said is true OOB but SOME people think others should be held accountable for what they write/say while others choose to just just to let it go.

If some want to ignore it thats THEIR choice but I don't think its fair to call out those that feel people should be accountable for what they say.

I mean the guy wrote this and its a serious or at least a strong opinion. If he can't handle the negativity that might follow an article/blog like that then don't write it in the first place. IF he has the courage of his convictions he should have NO problem responding to a few questions correct?

No one is asking for his job or to have him strung up outside the arena just tell us how you feel know AFTER the fact.

OH, I'm for accountability, trust me, I am OLD SCHOOL. Don't get me wrong but confronting the guy a year later and adding another black eye makes no sense to me nor will it resolve the issue. What will resolve it is that he see's 10,000 fans in white supporting their team. A team, coach's and fans acting in the appropriate matter and a year without player and team issues. Also one negative mishap tonight will just further and build any case the guy may already have , if any about BU BB program. In short, taking the positive road will have far more reaching results than adding to the negative issues that have happen.
This is a new year dog, sometimes you just have to let it go. Theres far more important things in this world than to worry about this guy.

[BU ICEMAN]

I've tried to lay low regarding all the hubub with the many issues on the board the past week or so, but, true to form, I can only hold my tongue so long.....

With regard to all the "negative incidents" that have been mentioned in this post, why do many have more vitriol for those that criticize the behavoir/incidents than the actual offenders? I'll support our players as much as I can, but at the same time, if they did wrong, they did wrong. Period. That has to be acknowledged and accepted, not debated every single friggin' time it comes up. These incidents happened, people; no amount of spin is going to change that. No incidents that happen anywhere else and the subsequent punishment/non-punishment by the other program/school/NCAA will make them go away and are, quite frankly, irrelevant to what happens at OUR program. Worry about what happens here, not what happens somewhere else.

Now, does BU fit the "renegade program" label that has been tossed out there? No, no, and no. Whelliston is guilty of using some hyperbole, but the root impetus for him to use such talk is that we did have some bad press caused by some self-inflicted bad decisions. But, to downplay the incidents is is also doing a disservice due to the classic "slippery slope" conundrum. I hope I don't need to explain that to everybody.

Finally, I'd like to remind everybody of two phrases:

"You get more bees with honey than vinegar."

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you."

If anybody does get a chance to meet Whelliston tonight, don't be a douchebag. The last thing we need is to for anybody to act like a "renegade fan." I'm not saying anybody's got to kiss his derriere, but if you want to discuss his past statements, be professional about it, OK? We complain and complain about not getting the "respect" that our program and other "mid-major" programs deserve, and here's a guy, Whelliston, who does try and get the publicity out there, and some want to burn him because he made an excessive comment instead of trying to establish a good relationship with him.

That being said, God I hope that BU has their stuff together tonight and puts a good whuppin' on UIC.

[SFP]

I just want Whelliston to explain his comments and his posture that JL should be fired. He may say, he was too rash in writing that piece or he may have some good answers that we may or may not agree with. Without drinking the cool-aid the answer probably lays somewhere in between but regardless IMO the 'renegade label' and firing JL comment went to far.

I also would want him to meet our Prez. If she can't win him over well he has another agenda. She won me over and I'll never complain about her again. Her heart is in the right place concerning BU, the students, alumni and the community.

I always like giving people the benefit of the doubt. I just want to see what he comes up with.

[squirrel]

From what I have been told, there was no official policy in force at the time of these incidents that required that Pres. Glasser be notified. So it's understandable, with Pres. Glasser's interest in Public Relations, that she would be upset to find out like she did, but nobody in the Athletic Dept. did anything wrong here. I understand that the official policy has now been changed, but at the time, they did nothing wrong.

There is now an athletic department wide policy, true, where before each team had it's own rules to follow. . .but again, if the staff hadn't had withheld the information they were instructed specifically not to. . .that would not have even been necessary.

It's not a matter of usurpation or undermining authority, or firm policies being in place. And it is not an arrogate accusation.

[squirrel]

I've tried to lay low regarding all the hubub with the many issues on the board the past week or so, but, true to form, I can only hold my tongue so long.....

With regard to all the "negative incidents" that have been mentioned in this post, why do many have more vitriol for those that criticize the behavoir/incidents than the actual offenders? I'll support our players as much as I can, but at the same time, if they did wrong, they did wrong. Period. That has to be acknowledged and accepted, not debated every single friggin' time it comes up. These incidents happened, people; no amount of spin is going to change that. No incidents that happen anywhere else and the subsequent punishment/non-punishment by the other program/school/NCAA will make them go away and are, quite frankly, irrelevant to what happens at OUR program. Worry about what happens here, not what happens somewhere else.

Now, does BU fit the "renegade program" label that has been tossed out there? No, no, and no. Whelliston is guilty of using some hyperbole, but the root impetus for him to use such talk is that we did have some bad press caused by some self-inflicted bad decisions. But, to downplay the incidents is is also doing a disservice due to the classic "slippery slope" conundrum. I hope I don't need to explain that to everybody.

Finally, I'd like to remind everybody of two phrases:

"You get more bees with honey than vinegar."

"Don't bite the hand that feeds you."

If anybody does get a chance to meet Whelliston tonight, don't be a douchebag. The last thing we need is to for anybody to act like a "renegade fan." I'm not saying anybody's got to kiss his derriere, but if you want to discuss his past statements, be professional about it, OK? We complain and complain about not getting the "respect" that our program and other "mid-major" programs deserve, and here's a guy, Whelliston, who does try and get the publicity out there, and some want to burn him because he made an excessive comment instead of trying to establish a good relationship with him.

That being said, God I hope that BU has their stuff together tonight and puts a good whuppin' on UIC.

Bravo! Excellent post summing up the best points in the thread.

[Da Coach]

I just want Whelliston to explain his comments and his posture that JL should be fired. He may say, he was too rash in writing that piece or he may have some good answers that we may or may not agree with.

This is the last I hope to say about it, since I fully agree that we should welcome him to Carver.
I would guess that he would say that he was wrong about suggesting Les' firing. I suspect he wrote what he did after merely hearing limited info about the incidents, and the fact they occurred close together..

[Double D]

Maybe he can chat with Jim Les before the game and explain why he called for his firing last year, and why he called Bradley a 'renegade program'. I think he owes Jim that much.

I feel like this discussion has spirraled to a degree, but BB made the comment above that I think is completely appropriate for the situation, no matter where your opinions lie on last seasons incidents or if you think there is a media bias.

Whellitson made statements that were likely harmful to BU program that could have been made about any number of incidents with college age athletes at any school. Yet he chose to step out and make them on a national level about BU.

If I'm JL or anyone in the BU athletics dept. I can't pretend like that didn't happen. That would be phony. I'm also not going to act like a child and make the situation worse. I simply think it needs to be addressed so we can move on and make everything about tonight and whatever exposure we receive from Kyle W's visit a very positive thing.

[dogsrus]

I feel like this discussion has spirraled to a degree, but BB made the comment above that I think is completely appropriate for the situation, no matter where your opinions lie on last seasons incidents or if you think there is a media bias.

Whellitson made statements that were likely harmful to BU program that could have been made about any number of incidents with college age athletes at any school. Yet he chose to step out and make them on a national level about BU.

If I'm JL or anyone in the BU athletics dept. I can't pretend like that didn't happen. That would be phony. I'm also not going to act like a child and make the situation worse. I simply think it needs to be addressed so we can move on and make everything about tonight and whatever exposure we receive from Kyle W's visit a very positive thing.

I agree....its simply called defending your program and who you. I suggest saying nothing is, in essence, agreeing with what was said. When DR and JC didn't get mentioned as a top guard combo last year JL spoke up, with clas, and got a nice answer. I think thats all I would like to see him do here.

[ER3]

If anybody does get a chance to meet Whelliston tonight, don't be a douchebag. The last thing we need is to for anybody to act like a "renegade fan." I'm not saying anybody's got to kiss his derriere, but if you want to discuss his past statements, be professional about it, OK? We complain and complain about not getting the "respect" that our program and other "mid-major" programs deserve, and here's a guy, Whelliston, who does try and get the publicity out there, and some want to burn him because he made an excessive comment instead of trying to establish a good relationship with him.

That being said, God I hope that BU has their stuff together tonight and puts a good whuppin' on UIC.

Yes...this perfectly sums up what I was trying to say in my previous posts...

And most importantly, let's just win the game and give him something positive to write about BU...

[MacabreMob]

Well - nobody has to worry about me being confrontational. I prefer to avoid and not engage. Unlike some down at the games.
-cough, cough-

I won't mention any names but DRU just about got into a fight with a coach.