Cole-Scott leaves BU

[tornado]

How come some people have a hard time recognizing sour grapes when it's so obvious that's what this is.
In fact, this is so similar to the Danny Granger situation, I find it eerie. Recall Danny Granger claimed Jim Les called him (in the era before text messaging)
and said if he tried to leave, he'd make his life "he**". But then as the facts played out, and it became more and more
apparent that Granger was orchestrating his attack to coincide with his departure in order to deflect attention from the tampering, and that much of that stuff never happened, like the speeding ticket that caused him to be late for the team bus....all of which has been proven to be lies!
I remain convinced that the only operative in this entire scenario that's saying anything against BU or Jim Les, TCS' dad, is pulling his theatrics in order to deflect from the obvious, that TCS simply doesn't fit at the D-I level.

I basically have two opinions about this........

--one is that I will believe the BU point of view until someone else or even one shred of evidence comes forward to substantiate what TCS' dad is saying. So far his word has nothing to back it up. Tyrone himself seems quiet and is not supporting his dad, and this issue with a text message is a ridiculous claim unless he can produce the message. Hey-- even if I were very, very close to my dad, he still would never have seen my text messages or known what was in them, so come on Mr. C-S, pony up!! Let's see if you have the evidence. If not, then I don't believe you, and it sounds like you're just trying to deflect attention from the obvious, that Tyrone is better off playing at D-II and just couldn't make it at D-I. I like Tyrone, wish him well, but I see the obvious, and I know sour grapes when I see them.

--second, I wish we'd have some local press that would stop printing as fact, just about every kind of silly rumor or claim that disparages Bradley.
I am still waiting for the evidence of the Suggs-positive drug test that was supposed to exist...and now the claim of a nasty text message....let's see it. If it does exist, let's start with the evidence, but if it is just a he said/she said thing, then give it up, PJS. How many of the "surrounding himself with people who take the expedient route rather than the principled one" and "Suggs/drug test" and Granger phoney claims are we going to have to read about in a major newspaper?
Why the continuous vendetta in the press to run with anything negative, even if it's unsubstantiated and rumor?

[braves12]

I have no idea of everything that happened, and never will. I think TCS will be better served finishing his education and playing somewhere else. I wish TCS all of the best. I wish he would have had more success at BU. I wouldn't worry too much about what TCS's father said or didn't say. My concern as a fan is that BU spent time and money to recruit a player that contributed little on the court during games. I hope BU improves in recruiting. To move up to the top 3 consistently and and get to a level of SIU and CU, the recruiting needs to get better. Using scholarships that do not help now or in the future is frustrating to me as a fan. To TCS - good luck. To the BU staff - please get better at recruiting and coaching fundamentals that win games.

[Out of Balance]

If BU wanted him out they would of pulled his scholarship 2 weeks after the season ended when each player sits down with the staff.

Pulling players scholarships is looked on as not being a postive thing (for a lot of reasons) unless there is just reason for it. But it happens alot! More often than not it is done because of something the player has done (behavior problems,grades and so much more) or maybe he just wants out for what ever reason (homesick, another school, girlfriend back home). You are right JL could of asked (maybe did) we don't know. Theres alot of ?'s being asked on this issue and not alot of answers as of yet.

[Da Coach]

My concern as a fan is that BU spent time and money to recruit a player that contributed little on the court during games. I hope BU improves in recruiting. To move up to the top 3 consistently and and get to a level of SIU and CU, the recruiting needs to get better. Using scholarships that do not help now or in the future is frustrating to me as a fan. To TCS - good luck. To the BU staff - please get better at recruiting and coaching fundamentals that win games.

Come on 12! Are you thinking that only BU has recruits that don't meet expectations? Many schools wouldn't have even given the recruit the courtesy of a meeting, or an evaluation. And most wouldn't have tried to talk him into staying or tried to set up individual workouts to help him improve his game. They would have just sent the kid packing.
Chris Lowery has dismissed several of his highly touted recruits the last couple years (Jamal Foster, Brandon Wood, Nick Rogers, Jordan Armstrong among others just in the past year or 2). Porter Moser has done it at ISU, and watch for it to keep happening under Jankovich. And if you want more examples, I can list names of kids from nearly every school in the MVC that had their scholarships pulled. It happens everywhere, and I think it actually happens less here than most schools.

And, by the way, the TCS signing was a late move caused by the availability of a scholarship and the need for another guard. It was more of a fluke than any trend of poor recruiting.

[BradleyBrave]

And, by the way, the TCS signing was a late move caused, in part, by the unexpected failure of DeAaron Williams to qualify. It was more of a fluke than any trend of poor recruiting.

Not to split hairs, but I recall TCS's committment was a result of Dwight Buycks inability to qualify. TCS committed just days before DB's test results became public (at the time many wondered why we landed another guard when we had DB already committed). Theron Wilson was signed once it became evident (and public) that DeAaron wasn't going to qualify. Here's the BU press releases which verify that -

TCS signing on Spring LOI day, DeAaron Williams still in the fold -

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=860385

Theron Wilson signed late as a result of DW's failure to qualify -

http://www.bubraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=25965&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=877134

[ER3]

By the way, we are constantly told that the newspapers always check out and verify their stories and sources. But did I miss where anyone tried to verify any of what TCS's father is claiming? It should be awful easy to produce this infamous text message from coach Bish. Or at least get some kind of statement from Tyrone Cole-Scott himself verifying it.
But we haven't see these.
When will we see them?

To be fair here, the same things could be said about Les's accounts of what happened as well. Should anyone from the paper have verified any of the details of what Les is claiming? Should the paper have done their 'fact checking' to make sure that these offseason workouts that TCS reportedly skipped really existed? Did they call Cole-Scott to verify that he actually chose not to attend these offseason workouts?...that he did choose to leave BU on his own?
No, I'm sure they didn't...nor would I have expected them to. They published Les's side of the story...his account of the events...then TCS's father came back with a different account of the events...and they published that. I don't see a problem with it.
Which story is true? I have no idea...Like some have said, it probably falls somewhere between the two accounts.
I guess I just don't see this whole issue to be that big of a deal...
Basketball scholarships are a year-to-year proposition...Hundreds of guys get recruited to play hoops every year and end up not contributing much on the court, they don't fit in, they have off-the-court problems, etc...so they are forced out, asked to 'consider other options', 'encouraged to look elsewhere'...whatever you want to call it, when their scholarship comes up for 'renewal'...This happens hundreds of times every year at Div. I programs all over the country...so I don't see why it is such a shock to anyone when it is reported that it happened here with TCS.

[braves12]

Da Coach,

I don't really care what other programs do as much as I care about what BU does and the results that come with. I don't think anywhere in my post did I question how BU did or did not handle this situation. I just want BU to get better....period. I have never said that the staff is doing a bad job, just that they need to do a better job of recruiting and coaching to get to the level I would like the team to be at consistently. I am not asking for a change in the coaching personnel, just better results. I think the results are mediocre, and I think and want them to be better. My opinion is that better recruiting and better coaching of fundamentals, defense and rebounding will get BU where I would be happy. Is it OK to want that in your opinion?

[amettrick]

--second, I wish we'd have some local press that would stop printing as fact, just about every kind of silly rumor or claim that disparages Bradley.
I am still waiting for the evidence of the Suggs-positive drug test that was supposed to exist...and now the claim of a nasty text message....let's see it. If it does exist, let's start with the evidence, but if it is just a he said/she said thing, then give it up, PJS. How many of the "surrounding himself with people who take the expedient route rather than the principled one" and "Suggs/drug test" and Granger phoney claims are we going to have to read about in a major newspaper?
Why the continuous vendetta in the press to run with anything negative, even if it's unsubstantiated and rumor?

So you want the PJS to completely ignore the story simply because TCS' father didn't present any concrete evidence? Why? His dad making these claims is a big enough deal that it's worth printing. The story never once claims that any of this is fact. It simply states the things his dad is claiming, and attributes all the accusations to his father. Exactly what is wrong with that?

[Scouter]

To be fair here, the same things could be said about Les's accounts of what happened as well. Should anyone from the paper have verified any of the details of what Les is claiming? Should the paper have done their 'fact checking' to make sure that these offseason workouts that TCS reportedly skipped really existed? Did they call Cole-Scott to verify that he actually chose not to attend these offseason workouts?...that he did choose to leave BU on his own?
No, I'm sure they didn't...nor would I have expected them to. They published Les's side of the story...his account of the events...then TCS's father came back with a different account of the events...and they published that. I don't see a problem with it.
Which story is true? I have no idea...Like some have said, it probably falls somewhere between the two accounts.

Well said, ER3.

Weren't there people yesterday who wanted to hear more from TCS' dad after he made the phone call to the PJS, then wouldn't return messages? So now the PJS talks to him and there's still a stink being raised? Both sides gave their accounts of what happened. It's up to the reader to decide what they think happened.

If TCS decides to produce the alleged text message, it'll be pretty easy to figure it out for certain. If not, I guess we'll all be left in the dark about the truth.

Personally, I find it hard to believe TCS was "forced out" now because it's so late in the signing period. Had it happened right after he met with Les, I might be more likely to believe his (father's) account.

[tornado]

So you want the PJS to completely ignore the story simply because TCS' father didn't present any concrete evidence? ...

Hey-- TCS' dad just sent me a text message saying he made it all up...
someone let the local paper know this so they can do another story with this hard evidence tomorrow...





Seriously....

Not to split hairs, but I recall TCS's committment was a result of Dwight Buycks inability to qualify.

This is reasonable...

Cole Scott made his verbal commitment on 3/15/07

http://jucojunction.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=653323

Dwight Buycks, who failed to get a passing ACT score on his February attempt, still was planning to take his ACT the first week of April and it couldn't have possibly been known prior to around April 20 that Buycks would be ineligible on that test, but apparently BU wasn't willing to wait, so by early to mid March of 2007, it appears BU pulled the offer to Buycks, and perhaps that's when Cole-Scott came more strongly into the picture.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3700

Obviously after Buycks missed again on the later test, then his plans changed,
and in May it was announced he'd be going to junior college.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4288

[Beninator]

1.) You could also say we were recruiting over Sam Maniscalco, and Dodie Dunson with the Norris signing. I think we were recruiting to replace Daniel Ruffin with the Norris signing, since that is the type of player that Norris most resembles, and I believe it is a type of point guard that Coach Les likes.

2.) With 4 new guards in the picture for next year, he stood to see very little playing time.


3.) By the way, we are constantly told that the newspapers always check out and verify their stories and sources. But did I miss where anyone tried to verify any of what TCS's father is claiming? It should be awful easy to produce this infamous text message from coach Bish.
When will we see them?

DC I broke your post down to 3 points for simplicity.

1.) We could say that we were recruiting over SamM and Dunson, but SamM and DD have realistic chances to see significant PT next year. Therefore I stand by my statement that we recruited players over TCS as TCS wasnt a fit for us and TCS wasnt going to see the floor much with 6 guards in front of him unless he made drastic improvements with his game.

If Norris was recruited to replace Ruffin, then what about Eddren Mccain? Mccain has been described as a Ruffin type player by the staff.

2.) Probably the real reason TCS left and this supports my statement. Also dont like us recruiting this many guards in one recruiting class. Hopefully there is a chance for us to get a forward!

3.) Agree..It should be very easy to produce the text message... Wonder if the PJS will take the next step to see if the message actually exists?

[BradleyBrave]

So you want the PJS to completely ignore the story simply because TCS' father didn't present any concrete evidence? Why? His dad making these claims is a big enough deal that it's worth printing. The story never once claims that any of this is fact. It simply states the things his dad is claiming, and attributes all the accusations to his father. Exactly what is wrong with that?

Good question. I didn't notice any type of 'spin' by PJS, just reporting the news. These 'he said, she said' things are in papers all over the country every single day. Why some thing BU should be immune to them is beyond me. If we ran a kid off, oh well. Welcome to the cold, harsh world of Division I college basketball.

[ER3]

Personally, I find it hard to believe TCS was "forced out" now because it's so late in the signing period. Had it happened right after he met with Les, I might be more likely to believe his (father's) account.

That is one way to interpret it...and it may very well be the way that everything actually did occur...who knows? There are a million possibilities here...
Maybe a recruit that BU really, really likes contacted the coaching staff last weekend and let them know that the offer that he thought would be coming from another school fell through at the last minute, and that he'd really love to come to BU if there was a any way that a scholarship could be made available for him...
Maybe a recruit that they really like but was thought to be an academic non-qualifier called and said he got a qualifying test score when he re-took the ACT, and would love to come to BU if there is still a spot for him.

Do I know if any of these scenarios actually happened?...no. I just don't think we can look at the timing of this move and say that since it happened so late in the recruiting season, that is irrefutable evidence that proves that TCS wasn't forced out, encouraged to leave, etc...There are still some quality guys out there that could help BU, so I don't think that it is a silly notion to think that BU might have wanted to open up a scholarship for someone that they thought would contribute to this program over the next 2 to 4 years....
This is all just speculation, of course...If the summer goes by and the open spot doesn't get filled, then I would assume that everyone that is speculating that TCS left on his own in this situation was probably right...

[ph]

If the quoted text message from EB to TCS is real, is it bad or inaccurate?
Did JC have a pleasant, grand resort type summer experience after his poor sophmore year? I'm sure the amount of work JC put in was, most of the time, a living "h-e" double hockey sticks, but it made him a much better player.

[Da Coach]

To be fair here, the same things could be said about Les's accounts of what happened as well.

Come on. When someone makes an accusatory claim that someone like Jim Les did something wrong, I simply do not believe anyone would expect Jim Les to have the burden to prove that he is not guilty of this.

The responsibility here is 100% on TCS's father, or the PJS to show some kind of substantiation of the claims.

Maybe you don't agree. But then should posters here be required to prove that they have stopped beating their wives?