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**BradleyBrave** · 05-11-2008, 02:56 PM

A great article by Pat Forde, calling out USC for it's blatant rules violations, and calling out the NCAA for doing nothing about the Reggie Bush fiasco.

Forde: USC should've known about Mayo

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3390757&sportCat=ncb

Seems the only ones surprised by the fact that O.J. Mayo received money from an agent runner were Tim Floyd and the athletic department at USC. And on the heels of the Reggie Bush debacle, USC should be crushed by the NCAA, the Pac-10 and its own administration, writes Pat Forde.

Bradley athletics would cease to exist if this happened on the Hilltop.

**tornado** · 05-11-2008, 03:48 PM

Since the NCAA never seems to respond to reason and to obvious violations, I can only hope
the press like Pat Forde keep the pressure on until the proper justice can be dealt.

But don't hold your breath....if you recall, even when thousands of dollars in cash fell out of a package headed to a Kentucky recruit,
you certainly recall that the official NCAA findings ruled that they really couldn't be sure who put it there and for what
purpose, thus it was really never considered a violation. Thankfully, their investigation into UK found gobs of other dam*ning evidence and UK got nailed at least a little.
But look for USC to get by unscathed..........mark my word.............

**tornado** · 05-11-2008, 08:47 PM

I love this line.......

"Really, Mayo was a ticking time bomb for NCAA compliance. He has been in the
spotlight since he was in middle school. His family was very poor, yet he had
nice clothes, nice shoes, and a 42″ TV in his dorm. USC head coach Tim Floyd
apparently had contacts with Guillory during the recruiting process, despite
Guillory’s past history with the school. All the signs were there.

Mayo’s case also ties in with a lot of other issues in college sports - the role of
media and now colleges in middle school athletics, the NBA’s age limit, and the
NCAA’s historically laughable record of enforcing its own rules..."

USC Has a Serious Agent Problem

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/22501-University-of-South-California-Has-a-Serious-Agent-Problem

ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” program has reported that former USC basketball player OJ Mayo received around $30,000 worth of benefits from Rodney Guillory, a “runner” for sports agency, Bill Duffy Associates...

BTW--- since OJ's cash gifts in these allegations date to way back when he was in high school.......
then can someone tell me how this case differs even ONE bit from the case of ISU recruit Bobby Hill...
both were kids who accepted thousands of dollars of freebies, gifts, and impermissible benefits, just so they could play
where they wanted to play and live where they wanted and in a style they wouldn't have been able to afford on their own.
Here's what they say about OJ, and shouldn't it also apply to Hill??
"O.J. Mayo, who led North College Hill High School to state basketball titles in 2005 and 2006, received thousands of dollars
in cash and gifts from a street agent during the past four years...
Mayo violated Ohio High School and NCAA amateurism rules by accepting some $30,000 worth of gifts from a rogue agent, Rodney Guillory...
Guillory received about $200,000 from California sports agency Bill Duffy Associates
while Mayo was in high school, according to Johnson, who said that some of that money
was used to court Mayo’s allegiance...
The allegations of impropriety could cause penalties at USC and North College Hill."

of course....Mayo was getting paid and getting freebies since he was a sophomore or a freshman in high school,
and that's absolutely illegal and should be penalized with the forfeiture of all their wins, and forfeiture of Mayo's
amateur status during that time........
and again, someone explain how Bobby Hill is any different...he just wasn't as good and didn't command as
much money and gifts, but he broke all the same rules.

Lastly...I revisit my statement abnout how OJ Mayo was able to quickly pay back the hundreds of dollars
he needed to pay when he violated other impermissible benefits rules earlier this season......
seems like I was a step ahead of the NCAA in figuring this out....

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**houstontxbrave** · 05-11-2008, 11:25 PM

T your going to drive yourself to an early grave.

The NCAA simply does not care what the BCS schools are doing as long as the gravy train keeps a rollin that cash in. USC, Indiana, Oklahoma it does not matter the name, these schools really could do about anything and the NCAA has no interest in penalizing substancially.

Nothing will happen to Indiana but you can almost guarantee that Detroit is in for a bunch of trouble. From what is known about Mayo, really the NCAA should have declared him not eligible before he signed with USC but USC had to know there were issues. So I think by them even allowing him into school they thumbed their noses at the NCAA and said we will do as we please, because we know you dont care and if you do you still wont do anything, oh and they also know that the NCAA is probably to busy with Florida International and Alabama State to give a moments thought to little Old USC

The NCAA is a joke, everyone knows it yet nothing will ever be done about it.

**tornado** · 05-12-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by houstontxbrave View Post

So I think by them even allowing him into school they thumbed their noses at the NCAA and said we will do as we please,....

bingo-- of course the precedent has been set, as in the Reggie Bush case and even the Kelvin Sampson case, that no matter how flagrant the cheating and the violations, no matter how emboldened the efforts to bribe, lure, and compensate their superstars, the NCAA has never and will never care what the big boys do unless totally embarrassed into doing so by someone outside the system!!

**BradleyBrave** · 05-12-2008, 10:27 AM

Eventually there will be lawsuits by schools getting hammered for violations against the NCAA for arbitrary enforcement of their rules, similar to the suit filed by the University of South Dakota. It may be of the class-action variety, but at some point the NCAA is either going to have to do its job, change its rules, or turn over the authority to someone else.

**tornado** · 05-12-2008, 01:15 PM

I enjoyed this comment from the Indiana board:

"USC and it's blindness to what is going on is making IU look real good considering IU handed out its own punishment!
Maybe this will divert their (NCAA) attention away from us!"

**Guinness** · 05-12-2008, 03:40 PM

Where's that picture of the football player with the stack of cash that just signed with Clemson?

**Rusty 54** · 05-12-2008, 04:10 PM

I am shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment.
Here are your winnings, sir.

**Dallas Brave** · 05-12-2008, 05:59 PM

Greg Doyle column from October, 2006 predicting this situation

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9735022?loc=interstitialskip

Myles Brand needs to be replaced, kids need to be able go directly to the pros is they want to try, and the NCAA needs to be completely overhauled.

**Rusty 54** · 05-12-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Dallas Brave View Post

Myles Brand needs to be replaced, kids need to be able go directly to the pros is they want to try, and the NCAA needs to be completely overhauled.

I agree with all three.

Michael Wilbon on PTI "If the NCAA had any guts they would go after USC."

**Da Coach** · 05-12-2008, 08:10 PM

ESPN's Pat Forde comes down on USC hard, suggesting they knew about these obvious NCAA rules violations but ignored, or covered them up----

Forde: USC should've known about Mayo

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3390757&sportCat=ncb&campaign=rss&source=NCAAHeadlines

Seems the only ones surprised by the fact that O.J. Mayo received money from an agent runner were Tim Floyd and the athletic department at USC. And on the heels of the Reggie Bush debacle, USC should be crushed by the NCAA, the Pac-10 and its own administration, writes Pat Forde.

**tornado** · 05-12-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Guinness View Post

Where's that picture of the football player with the stack of cash that just signed with Clemson?

you must mean this guy

BradleyFans.com Forums

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7855

Take a look at this kid.....
this kid's name is Kenneth Page. He is a Clemson football recruit, and he, himself, posted this photo on his MySpace page after he signed his LOI with Clemson.
In the story he posted on his own MySpace page (which has since been taken off) he seems to suggest that being a football stud clearly has its cash advantages.
Somehow I just don't get the feel this kid is a pure amateur athlete.....read the story...

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Just so you can decide for yourself...here is Kenneth Page as seen on his Rivals page.
He got 40 different college offers, and just maybe it is apparent now why he chose Clemson.
You decide.

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**tornado** · 05-13-2008, 09:14 AM

I can only wonder what's being discussed at the NCAA...probably something like this...........

NCAA Investigator: Hey, did you hear all that stuff about OJ Mayo?

NCAA Infractions committee Head: Yeah...we knew all about it years ago, so what's new?

NCAA Investigator:Well, people will be calling for us to rule the kid ineligible and penalize USC.

NCAA Infractions committee Head: We can just say USC didn't know about the whole situation.

NCAA Investigator: Come on, even Gregg Doyel wrote all about OJ's seedy connections to those money-handlers a couple years ago, and predicted exactly what was going to happen, so surely USC had to know about it.

NCAA Infractions committee Head: Yeah, but you know USC will claim they are innocent because they didn't know and we can just pretend we believe them.

NCAA Investigator: But don't you recall that Bradley case where they landed a lottery pick caliber 7-footer so we dug and found a few bucks that may have been inadvertently overpaid to the kid? At that time we ruled strongly that even if the university didn't know about the impermissible benefits, that it didn't matter, because they should have known. Anyway, everyone on USC's campus knew OJ Mayo, a kid from a dirt poor family and who didn't have any legitimate source of income was wearing thousands of dollars worth of clothes and jewelry, and was driving some pretty nice wheels, and watching a new plasma screen in his dorm room. Hey, how could Coach Floyd NOT have known the kid was getting paid big time from his "handler" who had been guilty of exactly the same thing several times before, and who even flaunts his money connections to feel like a big shot, but who was still NOT banned from contact with the USC athletes?

NCAA Infractions committee Head: Doesn't matter, we can rule as we want and heck with what they think. We only hurt ourself when we penalize one of the big money-making schools. Anyway, how did USC end up getting a player like Mayo, when they really aren't a very good team and they haven't done a great job of recruiting over the years?

NCAA Investigator: That's the odd part I don't understand. With all the offers he had and even the chance to play with his buddy Bill Walker or go play with Huggy, OJ simply flew to Southern Cal on his own dime and walked into Tim Floyd's office and said flatly that he wanted to play in Southern California so he could be close to his friends and go for free to Lakers games.

NCAA Infractions committee Head: You mean Tim Floyd didn't even have to recruit Mayo? He came on his own and fell into Floyd's lap? Isn't that in itself so astronomically unusual that you have to know something funny is up. And didn't we know about the several times Mayo got free tickets to Lakers games, and we overlooked those violations, too, right?

NCAA Investigator: Yup, we've always given those superstars a pass, as long as they don't go to a place like Bradley.

NCAA Infractions committee Head: Then let's just act like we are working on our investigation, and let's stall for several years like we've done on the Reggie Bush crap, and maybe in a few years it'll all go away on its own.

NCAA Investigator: but what if the press stays on us?

NCAA Infractions committee Head: Hey, been there, done that.
Remember when Kentucky got caught with mega-dollars falling out of the recruiting package being UPS'ed to Chris Mills? We just claimed there was no proof the money was put there by anyone from Kentucky.
And remember when Georgia committed so many academically fraudulent things that it made your stomach turn? We just said as long as they cleaned house we'd go easy on them.
And even when we had proof the Ohio State coach was paying that lunking European to play at Ohio State and even providing the kid with "female escort services", we didn't really come down hard on them, since they fired O'Brien and were in the middle of a lawsuit. Anyway, we knew Greg Oden was going to be a money maker for us in the Final Four, so we wouldn't dare want to jeopardize that would we?
So if USC just claims they didn't know about all the money Mayo was getting, or if they just fire their compliance officer and say he was the bonehead, and now he's gone, then we can let them off the hook, although I still don't know how we're going to handle the Reggie Bush case, I'm still working on that one.......

NCAA Investigator: Hey, I have one more idea. I'll go dig up something slimy on some poor mid-major, even if it isn't true, and maybe that'll take the focus off the USC issue. I'll probably start in Peoria like I did last time.

PS-- here's an article that points out how the NBA age-rule is really the cause of all this, since
these NBA bound kids could care less how badly they break rules or ruin the university they
play for, since they aren't going to be around to worry, and they only need something to do for a year, and don't want to watch a regular TV, they want a big flat screen!

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