ISU Hosting Exempt Tourney Next Season

[thefish7]

I think a little tournament like this is fine... It's a bit early to judge ISU's schedule just based on these three opponents. For all I know they've stacked the other 9 games up against some really tough teams.

[cpacmel]

Let's go to the Big Board, shall we:

NON-CONFERENCE SOS

Bradley 96

Illinois State 117

You guys absolutely killed us there. 21 whole spots.

And did someone really just boast about Iowa and Iowa State? Yikes.

[Bravesfan]

They are located near Marlyand-Eastern Shore and Florida Gulf Coast.

Ahhhh! That's right.

I also think WS State may be located near Ferris St, Prairie View A&M and Everest College as well.

[houstontxbrave]

Let's go to the Big Board, shall we:

NON-CONFERENCE SOS

Bradley 96

Illinois State 117

You guys absolutely killed us there. 21 whole spots.

And did someone really just boast about Iowa and Iowa State? Yikes.

Fine cpacmel you got me there. But from what I read about that "Big Time" ISU non conference schedule, I have to guess the Birds would have killed to had ISU or Iowa on their schedule versus the great gets in Chicago State and Ball State not to mention a D2 game with UMSL.

And I also wouldnt be surprised if ISU would have been real happy to have had that 96 non conferences RPI versus that NCAA at large killing 117.

So you go ahead and laugh at me regarding ISU or Iowa State and Ill laugh at the birds for scheduling so poorly that an overall record of 25-9 and 13-5 was not good enough for an at large bid to the NCAA and friend that one sole reason is that 117 non conference rpi.

[cpacmel]

Fine cpacmel you got me there. But from what I read about that "Big Time" ISU non conference schedule, I have to guess the Birds would have killed to had ISU or Iowa on their schedule versus the great gets in Chicago State and Ball State not to mention a D2 game with UMSL.

Do you see a big difference between Iowa and Chicago State?

Iowa 13-19 RPI 192 Chicago State 8-17 RPI 213

Don't get caught up in "name recognition" or conference affiliation when determining a team's power. Louisiana-Monroe beat Iowa and beat them in Iowa City too. Not that you guys are fans of KW, but wasn't he the one who said something like "IF I have one more Bradley fan tell it was Huge win beating Iowa, I am going to puke"

Ball State was a return game from the BracketBuster from 2007. Can't do anything about them. (think of it the same way you guys had to return the game with NIU back in 2005)

The D2 game is a joke. No way to even try and debate that. But just 2 years ago Bradley did play SIU-Edwardsville. And a few years past that, didn't BU play Arkansas Monticello?

And I also wouldnt be surprised if ISU would have been real happy to have had that 96 non conferences RPI versus that NCAA at large killing 117.

That wouldn't have changed the fact that we didn't beat a single team in the NCAA field. And it wouldn't have made our record any better than what it was against the top 50 (2-5)

So you go ahead and laugh at me regarding ISU or Iowa State and Ill laugh at the birds for scheduling so poorly that an overall record of 25-9 and 13-5 was not good enough for an at large bid to the NCAA and friend that one sole reason is that 117 non conference rpi.

You think the reason ISU didn't get in was it's 117 non-conference RPI?

I guess they didn't apply that to these schools and their non-conference RPI's:

St. Joes 119
Baylor 131
Miami (FLA) 144
West Va 157
Nova 159
Oregon 167
Clemson 183
Texas A&M 224

ISU didn't get in because they didn't beat a single tourney team. I believe they were 0-5 against them. They also only had 2 wins against the top 50. (in 7 chances)

[houstontxbrave]

Do you see a big difference between Iowa and Chicago State?

Iowa 13-19 RPI 192 Chicago State 8-17 RPI 213

Don't get caught up in "name recognition" or conference affiliation when determining a team's power. Louisiana-Monroe beat Iowa and beat them in Iowa City too. Not that you guys are fans of KW, but wasn't he the one who said something like "IF I have one more Bradley fan tell it was Huge win beating Iowa, I am going to puke"

Ball State was a return game from the BracketBuster from 2007. Can't do anything about them. (think of it the same way you guys had to return the game with NIU back in 2005)

The D2 game is a joke. No way to even try and debate that. But just 2 years ago Bradley did play SIU-Edwardsville. And a few years past that, didn't BU play Arkansas Monticello?


That wouldn't have changed the fact that we didn't beat a single team in the NCAA field. And it wouldn't have made our record any better than what it was against the top 50 (2-5)


You think the reason ISU didn't get in was it's 117 non-conference RPI?

I guess they didn't apply that to these schools and their non-conference RPI's:

St. Joes 119
Baylor 131
Miami (FLA) 144
West Va 157
Nova 159
Oregon 167
Clemson 183
Texas A&M 224

ISU didn't get in because they didn't beat a single tourney team. I believe they were 0-5 against them. They also only had 2 wins against the top 50. (in 7 chances)

Yes I think your teams 117 RPI was a very strong factor for not getting an NCAA atlarge bid.

Fine you make all kinds of points, my orginal post was based on the fact you thought it was a great idea to come here and answer where Winston Salem State was focusing on two teams BU played in the San Padre tourney, not two teams that BU scheduled out of choice. You want to point out two weak teams BU played, but did not choose to schedule, thats fine, but I am pointing out ISU's big time weak schedule, and how much stronger BU's was.

The numbers might only be a 17 difference but it was a difference and it was a huge contibuting factor as to why ISU played in the NIT.

All of your great information is fine, the bottom line with everything is BU played a better, more competitive schedule then ISU did last season, the poor scheduling, regardless of what you think, was a major factor in why ISU played in the NIT. Ill give you the 0-5 v NCAA teams, but if ISU doesnt schedule so soft that number might not have been as big a factor.

You might not play the name card but Im a sorry but when someone looks at your schedule and sees Iowa State and Iowa they are automatically going to think thats going to be more fun to see and give you more respect then scheduling Eastern Michigan, Chicago State, UMSL etc.

And regardless of the you dont play the name game, apparently someone does if we use non conference RPI as a determining factor for NCAA at large births, because every school you named above is BCS other then St Joes and they are east coast. Dont be naive who you play or who you are in name can be extremely important.

[Bravesfan]

Actually scheduling D2 teams does not kill one's RPI or SOS because those games don't count toward the RPI or SOS. The only drawback is that it gives teams fewer D1 teams to play and thus fewer chances to beat quality opponents. But I would rather see Bradley or any other Valley team schedule a D2 game here or there rather than an RPI killing D1 game against Chicago St or Nichols St. Obviously it would be better to schedule more Butlers or Wisconsin's if given the opportunity, but at least a D2 game won't kill a team's rankings like playing the "quality" schedule ISU has in this tourney.

[Bravesfan]

Yes I think your teams 117 RPI was a very strong factor for not getting an NCAA atlarge bid.

Fine you make all kinds of points, my orginal post was based on the fact you thought it was a great idea to come here and answer where Winston Salem State was focusing on two teams BU played in the San Padre tourney, not two teams that BU scheduled out of choice. You want to point out two weak teams BU played, but did not choose to schedule, thats fine, but I am pointing out ISU's big time weak schedule, and how much stronger BU's was.

The numbers might only be a 17 difference but it was a difference and it was a huge contibuting factor as to why ISU played in the NIT.

All of your great information is fine, the bottom line with everything is BU played a better, more competitive schedule then ISU did last season, the poor scheduling, regardless of what you think, was a major factor in why ISU played in the NIT. Ill give you the 0-5 v NCAA teams, but if ISU doesnt schedule so soft that number might not have been as big a factor.

You might not play the name card but Im a sorry but when someone looks at your schedule and sees Iowa State and Iowa they are automatically going to think thats going to be more fun to see and give you more respect then scheduling Eastern Michigan, Chicago State, UMSL etc.

And regardless of the you dont play the name game, apparently someone does if we use non conference RPI as a determining factor for NCAA at large births, because every school you named above is BCS other then St Joes and they are east coast. Dont be naive who you play or who you are in name can be extremely important.

BU's situation was different though. BU played these teams to get a shot at Vanderbilt. Plus they had a difficult schedule otherwise, which in all fairness, maybe ISU does too. We just have to wait and see what the rest of their non-conference schedule looks like.

[Da Coach]

They also only had 2 wins against the top 50. (in 7 chances)

It didn't help that those only 2 wins against top 50 teams were the 2 wins against Creighton, who was just barely inside the top 50.

[dogsrus]

They are located near Marlyand-Eastern Shore and Florida Gulf Coast.

Yes in SOME tournaments you have to "give a little" to get something bigger. Most tourneys include some cupcakes.....few have ALL cupcakes.

[dogsrus]

Do you see a big difference between Iowa and Chicago State?

IF ISU had a 2 games on a Saturday nite, one being Chicago State and one being Iowa which one would draw better in Normal?

Aren't you guys trying to bring the fans back......thats MY only beef. Actually I don't care who you play...its your schools perogative. But if BU was drawing 4-5-6 K like ISU has for several years I would be less then thrilled for a tournament like this.

[cpacmel]

Yes I think your teams 117 RPI was a very strong factor for not getting an NCAA atlarge bid.

Fine you make all kinds of points, my orginal post was based on the fact you thought it was a great idea to come here and answer where Winston Salem State was focusing on two teams BU played in the San Padre tourney, not two teams that BU scheduled out of choice. You want to point out two weak teams BU played, but did not choose to schedule, thats fine, but I am pointing out ISU's big time weak schedule, and how much stronger BU's was.

Well my orginal point was to show that Winston-Salem State and Nicholls State would not bring down the Conference's RPI anymore than Fla Gulf and Maryland ES did. And that was to answer BRAVESFAN (see post #6 in this thread)

Also if Bradley's schedule was soo much stronger as you claim, why was it only 21 spots higher than ISU's?

The numbers might only be a 17 difference but it was a difference and it was a huge contibuting factor as to why ISU played in the NIT.

All of your great information is fine, the bottom line with everything is BU played a better, more competitive schedule then ISU did last season, the poor scheduling, regardless of what you think, was a major factor in why ISU played in the NIT. Ill give you the 0-5 v NCAA teams, but if ISU doesnt schedule so soft that number might not have been as big a factor.

ISU played 5 tourney teams to Bradley's 5.

ISU played - Kent State, Indiana, Drake (3)
BU palyed - Michigan State, Butler, Vandy and Drake (2)

You might not play the name card but Im a sorry but when someone looks at your schedule and sees Iowa State and Iowa they are automatically going to think thats going to be more fun to see and give you more respect then scheduling Eastern Michigan, Chicago State, UMSL etc.

I have seen Iowa and Iowa State play last year. They were no more fun to watch than EMU or Chicago State.

You give them respect because they are from a BCS conference. That doesn't make them better.

In a way, it's sad that you think that.

And regardless of the you dont play the name game, apparently someone does if we use non conference RPI as a determining factor for NCAA at large births, because every school you named above is BCS other then St Joes and they are east coast. Dont be naive who you play or who you are in name can be extremely important.

Had ISU played Iowa and Iowa State instead of Chicago State and say Bowling Green, do you really think that would have made a difference in the eyes of the committee? All of the teams were around 200 in the RPI. When they are that bad, even in their BCS names can't help them. If you think beating Iowa and Iowa State is big because of their names, you my friend are the naive one.

[cpacmel]

It didn't help that those only 2 wins against top 50 teams were the 2 wins against Creighton, who was just barely inside the top 50.

Barely inside the top 50 doesn't matter. They were still inside the top 50.

BU had a non-conference SOS of 96. That is top 100 right? Or should it be *** because it is just barely inside the top 100?

[cpacmel]

Yes in SOME tournaments you have to "give a little" to get something bigger. Most tourneys include some cupcakes.....few have ALL cupcakes.

I don't think ISU has any control over who is in this tourney. They are simply hosting it. Basketball Travelers sets the field. Cal-SB was a pretty good team last year. (22-8 RPI of 89)

When did you guys host Iowa?

Sure people would rather see Iowa over Chicago State. There is doubt about that. BUT in term's of their strengths and resume building is there much difference between the 2? Looking at the #'s, I don't think so.

And I don't think ISU fans are really thrilled with this tourney. But that wasn't the debate here. The debate here was how these games would hurt the Valley's Conference SOS.

And in reality, they shouldn't hurt anymore than Fla Gulf Coast or UM-ES

[dogsrus]

Sure people would rather see Iowa over Chicago State. There is doubt about that.

Thats my point......ISU could draw 10k for Iowa where as they get 4-5k for C. State. And when you are struggling for butts in the seats......