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  • #46
    Once again, we have quite an amusing thread....

    It sounds to me that Virginia went into the CBI with the same reasoning as BU: it's an opportunity for our guys, especially our seniors, to keep playing anf for our fans to see more games.

    To give their players and their seniors the opportunity to keep playing, it cost them money, that's a fact. They knew going in they were going to take a bath, but it was more important to them that their guys keep playing and the fans get to see more games than the fact they might lose money. Now, we've got people crapping all over them for giving the players and fans more games, knowing full well they were going to lose money?!?!?! I think it's fantastic that UVA (and other schools, maybe even BU?) made the decision to get in, regardless of the bottom line. Sometimes doing the "right" thing isn't always the "profitable" thing.

    As far as the headlines of the articles, I think it's pretty fair to say that UVA doesn't dictate to or is able to control what the writers write or how they "sell" the story. It's much more shocking to mention the money aspect than the "feel good" aspect of getting the players and fans more games.

    And as far as the comment regarding the 60K fee being interpreted as a whine, all he's saying is that many schools will balk at that and reject the tourney just on that fact alone. I think we can all agree with some degree of certainty that there were schools approached this year who cited that exact reason to the Gazelle Group when they turned them down. Another way to interpret his statement is, "We had the ability to eat the costs for this, but other schools might not. The large buy-in costs are a factor when attempting to draw in the programs to the tourney." He's throwing out a suggestion/way for the tournament to stay viable for the future and draw in more schools and it gets called whining? Man that's some stretching......

    We beat Virginia, it was a good win, but why do some feel the need to take cheap shots at them, also? Does it make our win feel that much more impressive? Do we feel that much better about ourselves, now? Are we soooo much more virtuous than an ACC school?
    A real fan celebrates the successes, but also acknowledges the failures of his team.

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    • #47
      In today's press, KK mentions that BU also might end up in the red but never once does he paint it as anything negative...
      In fact he says--
      "The most important thing about this tournament was, one, did it satisfy the program in terms of playing, mainly for the seniors? And two, would our fans embrace it?
      "Well, the seniors have really appreciated it, and the guys coming back, we hope, can use this as a springboard for next year. And our fans, in volume and in numbers, have embraced it. Overall, the CBI has been very beneficial to us."


      So, there's the difference between whining (in the UVa case) and hard work that pays off and the BU people are happy!




      Originally posted by beanocookschins View Post
      The article was written by the local paper. It was not a press release from the University of Virginia.
      what?? this story in differing versions appeared at least FIVE TIMES in at least THREE different papers, so it was NOT just a little story in a local paper.
      Someone must have gone to the press with the story...and there are at least TWO parts to Virginia's whining..
      one is that they think it turned out to be a raw deal and they'll lose money, and that another school (ODU) got a better deal behind closed doors!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by tornado View Post
        In today's press, KK mentions that BU also might end up in the red but never once does he paint it as anything negative...
        In fact he says--
        "The most important thing about this tournament was, one, did it satisfy the program in terms of playing, mainly for the seniors? And two, would our fans embrace it?
        "Well, the seniors have really appreciated it, and the guys coming back, we hope, can use this as a springboard for next year. And our fans, in volume and in numbers, have embraced it. Overall, the CBI has been very beneficial to us."


        So, there's the difference between whining (in the UVa case) and hard work that pays off and the BU people are happy!






        what?? this story in differing versions appeared at least FIVE TIMES in at least THREE different papers, so it was NOT just a little story in a local paper.
        Someone must have gone to the press with the story...and there are at least TWO parts to Virginia's whining..
        one is that they think it turned out to be a raw deal and they'll lose money, and that another school (ODU) got a better deal behind closed doors!

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        http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet...5&path=!sports
        I'm guessing that if there were a story/press release from the University of Virginia then I'm sure it could be found. UVA is covered by more than one newspaper (unlike BU). There is no press release, notes, story anywhere on the UVA site, athletic or otherwise.

        Again, I don't see where UVA is "whining". They knew the risks (that they admitted) and they knew it could backfire (which it did). Whining would be complaining about something you didn't know could happen. The UVA people knew this could happen, it did, and they commented on it when asked. How is that whining?

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        • #49
          CBI's Rick Giles sure thinks they are whining

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          • #50
            After re-reading what the Virginia people said to many sources, I tend to agree it sounds an awful lot like whining.

            And, as I posted earlier, there are others closer to the situation who think so too.

            Dan Hauser, the assistant athletic director of Ohio University, called it sour grapes, that's essentially the same as whining--
            "I can see where some institutions might have sour grapes if they didn't cut a better deal than what was offered, which is what it seems ODU did," said Dan Hauser, assistant athletic director of Ohio University, which paid the $60,000 fee for hosting a first-round game against Brown. "I don't have any remorse, though. I do see that the challenge for the people running the CBI is that they will have to change that contractual obligation a little bit in the years to come.
            "But I'm very surprised by everybody's fixation on the monetary aspect. With any NCAA event, you have to submit a bid to host and it has similar financial commitments. It's not unique for a school hosting a tournament to have financial risks."


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            • #51
              sour grapes = whining

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              • #52
                Sorry, but I don't think our moderators should be originating posts calling other schools names like crybaby or whiners. Just my opinion. We had a long season and I'm awful proud of our team and fans who showed up during the CBI.
                What part of illegal don't you understand?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by tornado View Post
                  this story in differing versions appeared at least FIVE TIMES in at least THREE different papers, so it was NOT just a little story in a local paper. Someone must have gone to the press with the story...
                  You know, sometimes there are these things called "press conferences," where a lot of media members gather in one place and ask questions to the same person. Maybe someone asked them a question about it at one of those "press conferences" and that's how these people got the story. It makes absolutely no sense for UVA to voluntarily go to the press and say they lost money.

                  Originally posted by tornado View Post
                  and there are at least TWO parts to Virginia's whining..
                  one is that they think it turned out to be a raw deal and they'll lose money, and that another school (ODU) got a better deal behind closed doors!
                  Once again, UVA said they knew GOING INTO THE TOURNAMENT they'd be losing money. As for "whining" about ODU, that might make sense if somebody from UVA addressed the situation at ODU, which I do not remember reading in any of those stories. In any case, ODU barely turned a profit through its games. And Kavanagh never said if BU benefited financially from this tournament. In the quote you provided (I didn't see the story online) he only referred to it in terms of benefiting the players and fans.

                  Edit: Found the story from the PJS online. Here's the rest of Kavanagh's quote:

                  Despite receiving a financial break on its Civic Center rental, Kavanagh said Bradley lost money on its first two home games. But the large crowd for the third game helped make up for it.
                  "We'll be close to breaking even with everything," Kavanagh said.

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                  • #54
                    Chico, I call it as I see it, and obviously I am by far not the only one who sees it that way.
                    If it makes you feel better, substitute "voicing their opinion" for the word whining, because that's my definition of whining.
                    As a mod, am I not also entitled to an opinion?
                    Because then the editors of the paper (their equivalent of moderators) would then have to be held to a higher and more stringent standard and have some of their free speech rights curtailed as well.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by tornado View Post
                      Chico, I call it as I see it, and obviously I am by far not the only one who sees it that way.
                      If it makes you feel better, substitute "voicing their opinion" for the word whining, because that's my definition of whining.
                      As a mod, am I not also entitled to an opinion?
                      Because then the editors of the paper (their equivalent of moderators) would then have to be held to a higher and more stringent standard and have some of their free speech rights curtailed as well.
                      Let's just say a good newspaper editor would not allow the words "whining" and "crybabies" in a headline.

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                      • #56
                        they do appear to allow the words freely...these are all from quite recent issues of the Peoria Journal Star and a few from other local Gatehouse issues.

                        in the PJ Star, Mike Nadel calls people crybabies and whiny in the same sentence:
                        "bunch of whiny crybabies"


                        "underachievers and crybabies on the roster"



                        and others in the PJ Star do it as well:
                        "just crybaby talk"


                        Some do it in the opening sentence of the article:
                        "...whine about "settling" for nine-figure contracts, complain about playing time or moan about the mean men coaching them"


                        More:
                        "Whine about the refs all you want"


                        "It is easy for you to sit a whine from your lazy boy"


                        "dismissed as whiners unwilling to objectively assess their own accountability"


                        "We got one point and we can't cry about it now"

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Scouter View Post
                          Let's just say a good newspaper editor would not allow the words "whining" and "crybabies" in a HEADLINE.
                          I think what Chico was saying was that as one of the "editors" of this board he thought it was out of line of you to say what you said in the title of your thread.

                          By the way, none of the links you provided were hard news stories where the author blatantly said someone was a crybaby or a whiner. They were all either columns (where it's accepted to) or from direct quotes from other people. A few were even comments left by anonymous posters! Notice that none of them had those words in the headline.

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                          • #58
                            so I am held to the rules that cover "hard news stories"?
                            No way, I have the right to an opinion, same as you

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by tornado View Post
                              so I am held to the rules that cover "hard news stories"?
                              No way, I have the right to an opinion, same as you
                              I understand that. But my post specifically mentioned headlines. You apparently failed to understand that and inundated me with examples that were not of headlines.

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                              • #60
                                Why don't we call Virginia, tell them we will cover their losses if they come here and bring a couple ACC buddies and play us at home during the regular season.

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