Missouri Valley Conference Standings - 2/13/08 with tiebreakers

[SaintLouBrave22]

We need to win our home games and hope for the best as trying to win on the road will be very difficult; I thought Cole-scott was playing better and I still believe Sam Singh and Rashaad Austin should be playing at the same time and getting more minutes as they both have good hands and rebound ; it makes our inside game much harder to defend with those 2 big bodies on the floor together.

Agreed...

Why is it that we're always talking about how we have to matchup w/ other teams? Why don't we make them matchup w/ us..?!

Beyond that, I'm sick of the these guys weren't ready to play tonight excuses...who exactly should that fall on...it should fall on you Mr. Les!

Along w/ that, I believe our lack of depth has everything in the world to do w/ the coaching staff and nothing w/ the players...

As I have stated earlier in the season, you have to put players in a position to succeed and give them roles that will allow them to do so...

Matt Salley should NOT be a 5, let alone a starter...he is a role player on a decent team at best and should be on this one...

Theron Wilson SHOULD start, BUT at the 3...he is NOT a 4, nor will he ever be...

And explain to me how we are at Thursday February 14th and Coach Les still does not know who his players are...how is this even remotely possible?!

Can someone get Dana Altman in here to run a clinic and show our Coach how to properly substitute and maintain a decent rotation to where all of his players get minutes...

In Dana's system everyone plays, and everyone contributes something because they all have a defined role on that team year in and year out, but with us...who knows what you will get...

Crouch is a prime example...think of how much better he'd be if he had ANY role whatsoever his Freshman or Sophomore seasons rather than towel boy or bench warmer.

This all just leads me to believe that there are some serious deficiencies in Les' coaching game that may never be fixed!

[thefish7]

Wasn't Crouch seeing significant minutes as a freshman, and then expected to start as a sophomore but he shot so poorly that he lost all confidence and became totally ineffective?

Edit-- Just checked. Crouch started 24 out of 28 games as a freshman and averaged almost 27 mpg... I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a bench warmer.

[Lakeview Brave]

Wasn't Crouch seeing significant minutes as a freshman, and then expected to start as a sophomore but he shot so poorly that he lost all confidence and became totally ineffective?

Edit-- Just checked. Crouch started 24 out of 28 games as a freshman and averaged almost 27 mpg... I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a bench warmer.

I think he averaged 10 points a game is freshman year.

[SaintLouBrave22]

Just realized what I typed...

I meant "from" his Freshman to Sophomore seasons....

It just seemed to me that as he lost a little faith in his shot, our coach lost more...

seems to be happening to many of our guys w/o the #22


I just hate to see talent wasted behind a guy that on any team let alone a good one who is no better than an average role player...


Not only that, like I stated prior, a decent coach would figure out how to get DC, Tyrone, and Will minutes, and not only that, but minutes where they would be put in a position to succeed...

Look at Creighton...no they may not have the most talent this year, and they won't win the conference either, but they ALWAYS put themselves in position to make a run at the tournament title...and you know why? All of their players are fresh enough to play 3 in 3 because of the minutes they play....no one is so worn out by March that they have no legs (ala Will last yr) and not only that, but everyone has played some role on their team so they know they can count on all 12 playing some minutes if needed come tournament time...

At this point, 1) our guards already have no legs and 2) could we really count on positive results if we had to play DC or Tyrone many minutes come tournament time?

After what they have played lately, I don't see that happening!


And please, for the love of God, quit running the 4-guard offense and the weave....

Remember what got you to the Sweet 16 Jimmy!

[tornado]

Can someone get Dana Altman in here to run a clinic

You mean the same Dana Altman who just took his vastly superior players to Evansville, and got whupped by the Aces, even though Evansville didn't have their best player, team leader, and 2nd leading scorer & top assist man - Jason Holzinger?

Previous Newcomer of the Week Cavel Witter had one point and 6 turnovers, and two different starters (Dotzler and Lawson) went scoreless.
Nine different times a Creighton player has been POW or NOW, and Evansville has done it only once, and that was Holzinger who didn't play.
Had Jim Les lost in this situation, you'd be calling for a clinic from some other coach....gimme a break!

[Double D]

Just realized what I typed...

I meant "from" his Freshman to Sophomore seasons....

It just seemed to me that as he lost a little faith in his shot, our coach lost more...

seems to be happening to many of our guys w/o the #22


I just hate to see talent wasted behind a guy that on any team let alone a good one who is no better than an average role player...


Not only that, like I stated prior, a decent coach would figure out how to get DC, Tyrone, and Will minutes, and not only that, but minutes where they would be put in a position to succeed...

Look at Creighton...no they may not have the most talent this year, and they won't win the conference either, but they ALWAYS put themselves in position to make a run at the tournament title...and you know why? All of their players are fresh enough to play 3 in 3 because of the minutes they play....no one is so worn out by March that they have no legs (ala Will last yr) and not only that, but everyone has played some role on their team so they know they can count on all 12 playing some minutes if needed come tournament time...

At this point, 1) our guards already have no legs and 2) could we really count on positive results if we had to play DC or Tyrone many minutes come tournament time?

After what they have played lately, I don't see that happening!


And please, for the love of God, quit running the 4-guard offense and the weave....

Remember what got you to the Sweet 16 Jimmy!

Anyone who was in St. Louis and Detroit in 2006 will tell you that those games were won with "complete domination" around the basket (POB, Cellus, Boogie, JJ). We made guys like Paul Miller, Dane Watts, Aaron Gray, Sasha Kaun, and Levon Kendall look like they were standing still.

If you think that last years players or MS, TW, SS, and RA this year could duplicate that type of play, great. Maybe we should have played that style last year and this year.

I don't know for sure but I think JL did the best job he could have with the players he had last year and felt like esp. with Ruff and JC returning that the same stratagy should continue this season.

I like JL, going into this season would have hung my hat on Ruff, JC, and co. rather than MS, SS and the newbie bigs.

[cpacmel]

any update on the tie-breaker BUBraves2006?

[BUBraves2006]

I will post this in a little bit. I made the drive down to Peoria to see the game today (great one!) and haven't really been back to computer until just now. Expect an update on the tiebreakers by 12:30 at the latest!

Thanks for asking, I'm glad my work on this is appreciated!

[cpacmel]

Thanks for asking, I'm glad my work on this is appreciated!

VERY MUCH SO!!!!!

[BUBraves2006]

If Wichita State could have beaten SIU today, that really would have made the middle of the Valley extraordinarily interesting. Instead, now the Salukis (coupled with Ill. State's loss) have a shot at second. Honestly, I still believe the Redbirds will finish second, being a game up on SIU and the Salukis still having to come to Peoria.

If you want any additional information about the tiebreakers or have any questions, let me know.

Here they are as of 2/16/08...

[tornado]

Illinois State still has one game left vs. Creighton and also has to play AT SIU,
where very few Valley teams win. I think this means even BU has a remote shot at catching ISU for a piece of 2nd place.

[cpacmel]

If you want any additional information about the tiebreakers or have any questions, let me know.

Can you explain the MAX column to me? What does it mean and how is it calculated?
Thanks man

[tornado]

It is calculated using a complex formula that the MVC employs of awarding points based on your wins against the teams ahead of you and behind you in the standings.
The "MAX" is how much you could get had you beaten all the other teams, but it is a bit irrelevant, really. Of course the last place team actually has the biggest "MAX" since they have more teams above them in the standing in which to rack up points.

Here is the formula

http://www.mvc-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7600&KEY=&ATCLID=274386&SPID=2901&SPSID=41239

[cpacmel]

thank you

[real fan]

With 3 games left these are my projections:
1)Drake
2)Ill.State
3)SIU
4)Creighton
5)BU
6)Indiana St.
7)UNI
8 )Missouri St.
9)Wichita St.
10) Evansville