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You get some where ever you go, however at carver you don't see cheerleader leading chants that are obscene, and you also don't have a deafening "D*ck" after a cheer from the entire student section. For the most part, I would MUCH rather take my children to Carver to watch a game.
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I agree that action should be taken against any fans that are shouting obscentities but you cannot blame the Morton lady for letting her feelings be known about this issue just as I believe you should not have to listen to that garbage ; I guess what should be said is lets show a little sportsmanship as BU and ISU make for a good rivalry and there is no reason for anyone to not be able to go to these games and still have a good time.Comment
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The difference is that the ISU cheerleaders and most likely athletic department encouraged this behavior.
My demographics would normally place me at ISU. I was fortunately able to go to BU. I'm a farm kid, born and raised, and I've got some hick runnin in me. However, I even I was surprised at the behavior of some of the ISU students. I think that was one time in my life where I truly felt "above" another without meaning to at all. Take it as you will.Thinking is the hardest work, that is why so few people do it. -Henry Ford
Yeah...I've been in college for a while now and I'm pretty sure that awesomest is not a word. -Andrew E.Comment
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In a nutshell, this whole thing got blown out of proportion IMHO. The fact that multiple writeups have appeared in the media (even our own school paper) about our fans and then our admins were subsequently shocked into action in many ways makes us look worse than the obscene cheers themselves. Am I proud of the profanities/obscenities yelled by our fans? Not 1 bit. It's a shame that a few students (not the whole section, trust me) had to try and be funny and ruin it for everyone. But stuff not unlike this happens everywhere. Show me 1 college basketball arena where every fan and student is 100% peaceful, personable, respectful, and dosent use 1 hint of foul language, and I'll crap a solid gold brick.Originally posted by Scouter View Post
Last time I checked, it's a college basketball game. Do people (not people here, just people in general) really think that ISU's students are the only ones who have been vulgar at times? You get that everywhere. Maybe our students were a bit easier to hear, but trust me, you get MUCH worse at MANY other schools. I admit, those students adding vulgar/profane words to the tail end of our decades-old "You...Suck" cheer is very unneccessary and classless, but students will be students (aka stupid), especially when they are excited and/or intoxicated. I guess I just cant seem to decide if people are honestly offended to this magnitude...or if they are just looking for something to complain about. Am I saying that our fans need to be vulgar to be rowdy & loud? Of course not. But one of the reasons Redbird Arena was so much fun throughout the 90s was due not only to our successful teams, but also to our rowdy fans. Many of those fans have since gone away. Some are trickling back, but not enough. Just when attendance started to pick up a bit and we started to get back that atmosphere, something blows up (this whole situation with the vulgar cheers for example.)
Whatever the case, it's pretty much overwith. None of the spirit groups (cheerleaders, dancers, band) can participate in starting that cheer ever again, however I'm sure the students will continue it to some degree. In time, it will probably phase out completely.Comment
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Now, more than a week after the adminstration came down against the students' chants and behavior, and enforced them at the Bradley game last Saturday, the ISU student newspaper has an editorial about how the school's actions unfairly impinge upon the students' free speech rights!
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I did see more Buck F*radley shirts then normal... after I saw your post... i checked into it. One of the smaller book stores on campus, that is not affiliated with university, was selling them for real cheap and they sold a ton of them before the game...Comment
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As I've said before, The "You Suck" cheer, done after a foul, in one form or another has been around for decades. That is a fact. People turning it into "You Suck D**k" was in fact NOT around until last year. That's when it started. Any chants in the years or decades prior involving the word/name "D**k" (as in Verace for example) was in a totally different context, NOT chanted after a foul! The words might have been similar, but the way (and when) in which they were used, were not.Originally posted by tornadoAlso-here we have a knowledgable ISU fan claiming the "nickname for Richard" was not added until last year.
But this writer says that he's heard it for years, and numerous people also have testified they have heard that word used regularly in chants as far back as the 1970's!
So maybe part of the problem is that the ISU fans pretend it doesn't exist!
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No matter what, it's all over with. The cheer is gone. Rejoice.Comment
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Thanks for confirming that...me too--but in all honesty--I was disappointed last year at home, when your Slack got his shoulder separated against the pole under the basket. I sit on that corner, and some of our students were yelling some foul comments/language to him, and wearing "ISU sucks" shirts..so we aren't perfect either--from what I saw and experienced THIS year at both venues was a step in the right directionOriginally posted by RedbirdFan21 View Post
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Free speech rights or not, College basketball is a family event. The isu students need to have a little courtesy at least. I don't have any kids but i'm sure 99% of parents wouldn't want their 5-10 yr old going around and telling their fellow biddy ball players that they suck d*ck. Some people just amaze me.
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here's a guy calling for more technicals on crowds for the things they chant...
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T. I would be totally opposed to calling T's on the crowd for what they yell. If the officials were able to pick one or two out the arenas and have them removed that would help. Don't do it at a timeout. Stop play when no one is attemping to score and have them remove by security in front of everyone. That would be more productive than a fan getting a T and possibly making a difference in a game. No fan should EVER decide who wins or loses. Thats how I think it should happen. It works in HS games and it can help on the college level also.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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I have resurrected this thread, because of some incidents in last night's televised game between Indiana and Maryland...
The Indiana fans were so obnoxious and foul mouthed, they got called out by the IU coach...
for this, I admire Coach Crean!
also during one discussion in the 2nd half between Maryland's Gary Williams and referee Jim Burr...you could plainly see and also vaguely hear (as the mikes picked it up) that Gary was repeatedly cursing directly into Burr's face....
"BULLS**T, BULLS**T, BULLS**T"
"Despite the high energy from the Hoosier faithful, Crean nearly took the PA announcer Chuck Crabb's microphone
late in the second half following vulgarities shouted from select IU fans toward the Maryland team. After being
calmed by two referees, Crean returned to his team's huddle, but pleaded his case with the Indiana fans following the game.
"We can cheer against the other team, but we never use vulgarities against an opponent," Crean said.
"That is not what happened at Indiana in the past and it certainly is not going to happen under my watch.
But I love our fans. I loved the energy they brought tonight. We did not match the energy of our fans,
but at no point in time will vulgarities in that crowd ever be accepted."
Here are a few comments about the chants...
"I am disgusted at what they did last night. It's ironic because Maryland has one of the most crass student sections in the country.
I can live with some profanity because college kids are dumb and that's to be expected.
But chanting, "USA" to Jin Soo Choi? That's unforgivable.
"Go back to Cuba" to Vasquez? Another ugly slur (and shows incredible stupidity since he's from Venezuela).
But Crean also said he was disappointed in the fans’ profanity. At times they shouted “a**hole,” as well as
“go back to Cuba” for senior guard Greivis Vasquez and “USA” chants for Jin Soo Choi, the South Korean forward for the Terps.
There were also chants of “still a pu**y” for Vasquez."
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Isn't that an Unsporting Technical Infraction?Originally posted by tornado View Post
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Yup, Rule 19, Section 5, Article 2, c.
"Bench personnel committing an unsportsmanlike act including...
..Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
and also a. Disrespectfully addressing an offical..."
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That may be true... but if Les were to say the same to Pollard, we ALL know it would be a T.Originally posted by tornado View Post
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