Indiana NCAA Sanctions

[Murph]

"mis-remembered."

Is that a new word.....

[DannyCooksey]

I noticed somebody mentioned Tom Crean as a possible replacement. Does he have any ties to the university? Otherwise, I wouldn't see him leaving, considering U of I tried to hire him years ago (I believe when Lon Kruger left) and he said he wasn't interested.

Indiana is in a world of trouble right now for sure but that said IU is and always will be a much, much better job than Illinois. Crean saying no to Illinois years ago has no bearing on what his interest may be in the Indiana job should they contact him. There are 6 prime-time cream of the crop jobs in college basketball and Indiana is one of them. Illinois isn't and never will be.

Duke
North Carolina
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas
UCLA

This will never change. All the other jobs are a notch or 2 below these 6.

[J Money]

I noticed somebody mentioned Tom Crean as a possible replacement. Does he have any ties to the university? Otherwise, I wouldn't see him leaving, considering U of I tried to hire him years ago (I believe when Lon Kruger left) and he said he wasn't interested.

I think this is true but lets be honest, here: Indiana is a MUCH more desirable job than Illinois. The IU coaching job is right up there with Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, North Carolina, etc. One of the most coveted jobs in the country.

[BUBraves06]

Before going to Marquette Crean was an assistant under Tom Izzo at Michigan State so he's familiar with the Big Ten.

[SFP]

Indiana is in a world of trouble right now for sure but that said IU is and always will be a much, much better job than Illinois. Crean saying no to Illinois years ago has no bearing on what his interest may be in the Indiana job should they contact him. There are 6 prime-time cream of the crop jobs in college basketball and Indiana is one of them. Illinois isn't and never will be.

Duke
North Carolina
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas
UCLA

This will never change. All the other jobs are a notch or 2 below these 6.

I have to agree except maybe Florida (so easy to recruit), U Conn, Louisville and Michigan are only a notch below.

[Beninator]

P.S. If ever a program needed a General, it's IU right now.

Schwarzkopf is retired and Petraueus is a tad busy right now.

[Dallas Brave]

Schwarzkopf is retired and Petraueus is a tad busy right now.

How about BU's own General Shalikashvili. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Shalikashvili
He could come out of retirement to rescue Hoosierdom.

[amckillip]

Indiana is in a world of trouble right now for sure but that said IU is and always will be a much, much better job than Illinois. Crean saying no to Illinois years ago has no bearing on what his interest may be in the Indiana job should they contact him. There are 6 prime-time cream of the crop jobs in college basketball and Indiana is one of them. Illinois isn't and never will be.

Duke
North Carolina
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas
UCLA

This will never change. All the other jobs are a notch or 2 below these 6.

Yeah I remember how unbelievably desirable the IU job was before Knight(McKracken was solid but no Wooden or Rupp), and Duke was a powerhouse before Coach K was hired, It was one of the most sought after jobs at the time....

Come on, all it takes is one coach finding some success, rolling with it and staying at that program. I'm not saying it's easy but two of the programs you just mentioned owe most (and Duke ALL), of their status to one guy.

[IlliBraves]

I have to disagree. Indiana USED to be elite. They no longer are. I don't see how they are any more prestigious than IL. I'd say U of L is a more desirable job than Indiana these days. Let's face it, besides their 2002 fluke, it's been over a decade since they were last a legitimate contender. They haven't won a B10 championship in years, and they seem content to do anything at any expense to try and return themselves to the prominence they once had.

[Braves4Life]

Andy Katz of ESPN is reporting that Kelvin's status is going to be dertermined on a game-by-game status: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3245936

I just heard Katz' rationale for the game-by-game basis. Indiana's decision-making process is being determined by attorneys..............They do not want to have the same thing that happened to Ohio St. happen to them when OSU fired O'Brien before the NCAA ruled and ended up being sued by O'Brien and losing.

It really sounds like Indiana is desperately searching for a solid legal reason to fire Sampson and that that could happen at any time (or - if the overly cautious attorneys get their way - not until late Summer after an NCAA ruling)

[DannyCooksey]

Yeah I remember how unbelievably desirable the IU job was before Knight(McKracken was solid but no Wooden or Rupp), and Duke was a powerhouse before Coach K was hired, It was one of the most sought after jobs at the time....

Come on, all it takes is one coach finding some success, rolling with it and staying at that program. I'm not saying it's easy but two of the programs you just mentioned owe most (and Duke ALL), of their status to one guy.

What you said + $1 might get me a ride on the Chicago subway.

It doesn't matter how or why or what the circumstances were to get these jobs to the level they are at. The fact is they are where they are and that is indisputable. These are the top jobs. Period.

The point was that Illinois is not in the class of the other 6 jobs I listed and that Crean turned down Illinois has no bearing on what he might say if IU called him.

I couldn't care less about what happened before these programs achieved the status they have achieved based on fan and media perception. the fact is, these are the top jobs. Period. It will take many, many years for that to change if it ever does.

[SFP]

I have to disagree. Indiana USED to be elite. They no longer are. I don't see how they are any more prestigious than IL. I'd say U of L is a more desirable job than Indiana these days. Let's face it, besides their 2002 fluke, it's been over a decade since they were last a legitimate contender. They haven't won a B10 championship in years, and they seem content to do anything at any expense to try and return themselves to the prominence they once had.

Your too young or have a huge distaste to understand that Indiana has a GRAND history between the school and the state to be granted as one of the elite. I'm not a fan of theirs but it is what it is. Duke also has history behind them and either way they are now an elite school.

Bradley, USF, Cincinati, NYU at one time could have been considered one but that was way before I was born. History puts a perspective what is an elite and what is not. It has nothing to do with now. Indiana in 10 years will still be an elite in my humble opinion.

[MacabreMob]

I'm joining late here... but I believe Crean turned down UIUC after Self left.

[IlliBraves]

Your too young or have a huge distaste to understand that Indiana has a GRAND history between the school and the state to be granted as one of the elite. I'm not a fan of theirs but it is what it is. Duke also has history behind them and either way they are now an elite school.

Bradley, USF, Cincinati, NYU at one time could have been considered one but that was way before I was born. History puts a perspective what is an elite and what is not. It has nothing to do with now. Indiana in 10 years will still be an elite in my humble opinion.

Yes, I do have a huge distaste for them, there is no arguing that. I am overjoyed that they will have sanctions against them. With that said, nobody's denying their history. They have won 5 national titles, but what was once elite and what is elite today are two different things. Programs like UCLA, Duke and North Carolina are still top programs, and have proven that they can compete for the title in recent years. The closest Indiana has been was the fluke in 2002 when they lost to Maryland. They have finished middle of the pack in their conference in recent years and even missed the NCAA tournament a few times. I am not saying Illinois is more elite than they are by any means, I just don't consider Indiana to be a top 6 job in the nation. It may have used to be, but not anymore. I don't care what people have said, but Kelvin Sampson is not and never was an elite name.

[MacabreMob]

Illibrave... I have the answer for you.

You need to get out of Indiana.

Move to the heart of Kentucky. Let 'em know how much you dislike Indiana, and then you will find a large support group of friends.

Then after a couple nights having jars with the guys, let 'em know how you feel about UIUC. First reaction you will get with a plain serious face... "Are they Div 1?" And I am not kidding. However bad you think it is in Indiana, it is 10-fold in Kentucky.

So in all honsty - get out of Indiana. And I know you are about to (but St Louis won't be 100% friendly for you). But then when you decide to settle down and have a family and live happily ever after.... locate yourself within 30 minutes of UIUC.