Sam Singh

[ER3]

I simply don??™t believe that DC??™s effort is so poor in practice that he should not get any playing time in the games. And it hurts this team that he is not out there for 15+ minutes a game.

Jim Les, Eric Buescher, Alvin Brooks, and Steve Merfeld do not agree with you on either of these points...I'll trust them on this one.
It would be great if we had an effective 7-footer that could help us on the boards, defend, and give us a post presence on offense...obviously DC is not capable of doing any of these things right now based on the coaching staff's comments and his lack of playing time.
And like another poster mentioned...If Collins gets the opportunity every day in practice to prove himself against Salley, Singh, and Austin...and he loses all of those battles, I certainly don't want him getting 15+ minutes a game in conference games. That would hurt the team.
Hopefully he works hard in the offseason and gets himself where he needs to be to contribute next year...

[Beninator]

I think that the question now is how do we put a guy on the floor like DC who as of right now for whatever reason doesnt get the system? I think the answer now is to coach him up in practice and put him out on the floor in small time increments. if he is productive then adjust the pt upward.

[Dallas Brave]

8-2: record when BU out-rebounds opponent
DC average minutes: 11.6 minutes
Actual minutes by game (13,8,18,12,15,14,15,13,17,0)

0-2: record when BU ties opponent for rebounds
DC average minutes: 8.5
Actual minutes by game (17,2)

0-5: record when opponent out-rebounds BU
DC average minutes: 4.8
Actual minutes by game (13,8,0,0,3)

The number speak for themself. Do we, or do we not, want to get more rebounds than the teams we are playing?

[ER3]

8-2: record when BU out-rebounds opponent
DC average minutes: 11.6 minutes
Actual minutes by game (13,8,18,12,15,14,15,13,17,0)

0-2: record when BU ties opponent for rebounds
DC average minutes: 8.5
Actual minutes by game (17,2)

0-5: record when opponent out-rebounds BU
DC average minutes: 4.8
Actual minutes by game (13,8,0,0,3)

The number speak for themself. Do we, or do we not, want to get more rebounds than the teams we are playing?

The numbers are great, but they do not 'speak for themselves'...There is more to this playing time argument than just the quantitative analysis. There is a qualitative analysis of DC that goes on every day in practice...Our coaching staff's qualitative assessment of DC is that he is not playing well enough, is not physically or mentally ready to provide quality minutes for this team right now...regardless of what your numbers might be trying to say to the contrary.
Your numbers simply tell me that this team needs to rebound well to give itself a chance to win...It doesn't tell me that David Collins is essential to this pursuit. We won the last game on the road...we outrebounded them...DC didn't play at all. DC could have played 40 minutes against Michigan State and we would have still been outrebounded and we still would have lost the game...So, I guess I'm just saying that I don't think you can look at those numbers and develop a solid relationship between Collins playing, BU winning on the boards, and BU winning the game. For the most part...Collins was playing more early in the year, the teams we played were lousy and overmatched physically by us, so we won some of those games and rebounded well...
Collins showed flashes of potential early...yes. But he has shown nothing in his limited time in games recently, and he obviously hasn't shown anything in the hundreds of hours of practices that would lead anyone to believe that he would be successful if he were thrown into games at this point. That's the reality of where we are now and where David Collins is now. The fact that he looked good two months ago against SEMO, Florida Gulf Coast, or UM-ES really doesn't mean a lot when it comes to playing the right people for this team right now.

[Dubl R 1]

8-2: record when BU out-rebounds opponent
DC average minutes: 11.6 minutes
Actual minutes by game (13,8,18,12,15,14,15,13,17,0)

0-2: record when BU ties opponent for rebounds
DC average minutes: 8.5
Actual minutes by game (17,2)

0-5: record when opponent out-rebounds BU
DC average minutes: 4.8
Actual minutes by game (13,8,0,0,3)

The number speak for themself. Do we, or do we not, want to get more rebounds than the teams we are playing?

Ooooh Ooooh I know, I know Pick me Yes we want to outrebound our opponents. J/k Dallas.

This is a perplexing issue. It does seem BU had more rebounding, and more overall success when DC was in the regular rotation, however the coaching staff ( I'm guessing) does not think it beneficial for the team to have DC in there. I'm actually in favor of DC getting more minutes too, as it was obviously not costing BU games when he was playing more minutes.

Now the flipside to this is, that we (the average fan), well at least me, does not know what goes on in practice everyday or in film sessions or in team meetings. Maybe, and I stress Maybe, because I don't know, DC is not progressing or doing what's being asked of him by JL and the coaches, and if he can't grasp the system, maybe they feel they can't trust him in a game. We may never know, but that's why BU hires a coach who they feel can make good decisions with regards to what's beneficial to the basketball program. This is coah Les' decision, and as long as he is coach, that's all that counts.

[Beninator]

ER3, we are thinking along the same lines here. I liked Dallas' breakdown of the numbers at first but I stated after the Wichita St game that we could get the same type of rebounding numbers with Austin in the lineup.
I was curious as to DC's rebounds vs opponents RPI.

29% of DC's rebounds for the year came from the Maryland Eastern Shore game.

(14 rebounds in in 18 minutes against a bad team with a 334 rpi.

here is the breakdown..RPI is from Ken Pomroy's site today.

UIC-- 4 rebounds, 13 minutes 142 RPI
Iowa ST-- 1 rebound 8 minutes 141 rpi
Maryland Eastern Shore- 14 rebounds, 18 minutes, 334 rpi
FL Gulf Coast--5 rebounds 12 minutes 277 rpi
Iowa--3 rebounds 15 minutes--183 rpi
Vanderbilt--5 rebounds, 17 minutes--12 rpi
Loyola--1 rebound, 14 minutes, 295 rpi
SEMO-3 rebounds 15 minutes 223 rpi
Michigan St--4 rebounds 13 minutes 10 rpi
Wright ST, 7 rebounds 17 minutes 83 rpi
Butler 0 rebounds, 2 minutes 17 rpi
VCU-0 rebounds 6 minutes 65 rpi
UNI-1 rebound 8 minutes 149 rpi
SIU-0 reboounds 3 minutes 97 rpi
DC didnt play the other games...
Clearly DC's best games with quality opposition were against Michigan St, Vanderbilt, and Wright State. Since the Butler game, he has hit the wall. This is why I think we ease DC back into the lineup and adjust his minutes accordingly.

[bu fan 9]

Austin has taken DC time on the floor.

[Dallas Brave]

Well there's nothing like a good ol' debate while whittling sticks on the front porch of the general store I say.

My whole point above, is that the "team" plays better and has a better chance of winning more games when DC is part of the mix. It doesn't necessarily show up in his individual stats, but the team results are what is most important.

Anyway, I'm off to work after a morning of coffee and reflection.

[IheartBU]

Kill my reply if need be, but there's a rumor on VT.

If you know what I'm talking about and it's just some Drake poster trying to start stuff, OK; otherwise, comments/thoughts?

[BUBraves06]

Now the flipside to this is, that we (the average fan), well at least me, does not know what goes on in practice everyday or in film sessions or in team meetings. Maybe, and I stress Maybe, because I don't know, DC is not progressing or doing what's being asked of him by JL and the coaches, and if he can't grasp the system, maybe they feel they can't trust him in a game. We may never know, but that's why BU hires a coach who they feel can make good decisions with regards to what's beneficial to the basketball program. This is coah Les' decision, and as long as he is coach, that's all that counts.

I think this is the biggest issue. Like you said, we'll never know for sure, but I think it's safe to assume that DC isn't doing what the coaches are asking for him in practice because his playing time has evaporated. That's a shame really because we certainly could use another big body down low.

Another issue that may be part of the problem that I don't think has been mentioned is that Lennox was the coach who worked with our bigs. I'm sure whoever took over that role for Lennox is doing a good job, but it's something to think about. I guess that goes outside of DC though because he's in his first year at BU, but I think the play of our bigs hasn't been up to par with the past few seasons.

[MacabreMob]

Kill my reply if need be, but there's a rumor on VT.

If you know what I'm talking about and it's just some Drake poster trying to start stuff, OK; otherwise, comments/thoughts?

Who knows.

By the way some people have been hard on this guy... some might view it as addition by subtraction.

[ER3]

Well, if the injury rumor is true...the bright side would be that we will likely get to see some minutes from DC so we can determine in a real game against a quality opponent whether his presence on the floor hurts or helps us.

[Dubl R 1]

Good point BUBraves06 about Lennox. I actually thought about that a couple of games ago when I thought about how much I think we miss Chuck B. We really don't have a former big man on our coaching staff, not to say that our coaches can't develope or teach the post play, but that is something to think about.

[ser_solace]

I completely agree that if DC isn't doing it in practice, he shouldn't be playing. No one deserves a playing spot by default because they're 7-foot.

It's not the best for DC or for the rest of the players. If he's not working hard or executing well enough in a gym with the team alone, how can you expect him to execute in front of a huge crowd or in a hostile environment?

I bet the coaches are frustrated with him because he's got potential to be a lot better, but he's just not doing it. Think of how much better he would be if he did start doing the right things in practice.

Rashad Austin seems to be taking more of the available PT. Good for him. He's working to earn it.

[MacabreMob]

Well, if the injury rumor is true...the bright side would be that we will likely get to see some minutes from DC so we can determine in a real game against a quality opponent whether his presence on the floor hurts or helps us.

I have no idea what to think of this.... but if it was something from yesterday, wouldn't JL say something on the show last night? Well - now that I think about it... No, JL wouldn't say anything. Cause then he'd have to go thru the whole "game-time" decision/lie about this, when he is probably waiting for info back on analysis of the severity of the injury (if there even is one).