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    I have been a big believer in Jim Les. But I'm an even bigger believer in accountability.

    Some familiar patterns have emerged, both for this coach and for this program.

    For Jim Les, the pattern is this: good start, midseason slump, then . . . fill in the blank. For the first three seasons, collapse and a play-in game. The second two, recovery, toughness, nice finish.

    This season is beginning to look a lot more like the first three than the last two. Four straight losses at home? I never even expected that under Stan Albeck. But here's what bothers me most: I live in Lansing, so my exposure to Tom Izzo is constant. He has a FIT when his team's weaknesses are rebounding or defense. He accepts bad shooting, he accepts some hiccups from the FT line, he even accepts bad nights for turnovers and ball-handling. But for what he calls "the effort stats" (opponents' FGP and rebounds), he will accept nothing short of dominance, because, he says, those reflect on HIM as a COACH.

    Jim Les should likewise be having a fit that his team won't compete. But all I sense from him is a desire to tweak a practice drill here or there. Seniors who don't produce, a team that lacks the pride to compete at home, the inability to get young guys to bang and rebound, yikes!

    And on to the second pattern: the history of modern Bradley basketball. Coaches who get us into the tournament, make some national noise, and then preside over some kind of collapse. Stowell, Versace, Albeck, Molinari.

    Jim Les had better not join that list this season, and BU's admin had better be telling him so. To his credit, he got Bradley in the spotlight more in one week that Mo did in ten years. But one week is one week, and does not a program make.

    It is WAY too early to cast judgment on the Jim Les era. But it is not too early to say, as fans, alums, whatever, that this is not headed in the right direction. The pattern is familiar. We've got a couple months to change that. It takes a year or two for national sports fans to forget completely about a flash in the pan. It takes a whole lot more to get it back. I'm tired of coaches who get us there for a year, then collapse. If I were Bradley's prez, I'd tell Jim Les that right now.

  • #2
    Great post.
    Onward and Upward!

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    • #3
      Sorry, but the president of Bradley is too new in her position to tell Jim Les what to do about his team losing. She has other priorities than Jim Les. I am sure Les knows he is on the hot seat, especially after stating that this was the best recruiting season for him. If things get ugly, I do not think that Les would lose his job either this year or next year. But who knows, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Look how fast both the 2 ISUs have improved.

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      • #4
        I'm really amazed at how quickly the tide has turned on Les for many posters on here. Some people on this board *sound like* they're ready for JL to get kicked to the curb after this season, which I think would be a little ridiculous. One of the most important things for any mid-major school that has success is consistency. Rushing to judgment and making coaching changes at every chance you get is a waste, IMO. Does this team stink right now? Yes. But let's wait longer than a five-game losing streak to think the coach needs to go.

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        • #5
          I am not saying can the coach either, but we're one of the nation's most disappointing teams. What do you expect?
          Onward and Upward!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
            I am not saying can the coach either, but we're one of the nation's most disappointing teams. What do you expect?
            No, I agree with you on that note. But it's also more than a little early for Glasser to tell Les that the team needs to improve.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by molar50 View Post
              Sorry, but the president of Bradley is too new in her position to tell Jim Les what to do about his team losing. She has other priorities than Jim Les. I am sure Les knows he is on the hot seat, especially after stating that this was the best recruiting season for him. If things get ugly, I do not think that Les would lose his job either this year or next year. But who knows, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Look how fast both the 2 ISUs have improved.
              I agree with this. Am I the only one here who recalls that we were a pretty good team when we had a healthy Daniel Ruffin? IMO, BU could have won the VCU, UNI and WSU games with a healthy DR. Bradley's RPI was around 40 before their skid, and would still be there if DR was healthy and Bradley was 10-5 or 11-4.

              Where would UNI be without Coleman, Drake without Josh Young, or SIU without Falker. Those are 1st team All MVC players who represent for their teams what Daniel Ruffin was to Bradley.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                I agree with this. Am I the only one here who recalls that we were a pretty good team when we had a healthy Daniel Ruffin? IMO, BU could have won the VCU, UNI and WSU games with a healthy DR. Bradley's RPI was around 40 before their skid, and would still be there if DR was healthy and Bradley was 10-5 or 11-4.

                Where would UNI be without Coleman, Drake without Josh Young, or SIU without Falker. Those are 1st team All MVC players who represent for their teams what Daniel Ruffin was to Bradley.
                Wichita St. was missing their starting point guard also. Wisconsin beat Texas on the road without thier starting point guard and leading scorer. Thier is simply no excuse for this loss, it is absolutely horrible.
                Can we start winning soon?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                  I agree with this. Am I the only one here who recalls that we were a pretty good team when we had a healthy Daniel Ruffin? IMO, BU could have won the VCU, UNI and WSU games with a healthy DR. Bradley's RPI was around 40 before their skid, and would still be there if DR was healthy and Bradley was 10-5 or 11-4.

                  Where would UNI be without Coleman, Drake without Josh Young, or SIU without Falker. Those are 1st team All MVC players who represent for their teams what Daniel Ruffin was to Bradley.
                  I wouldn't necessarily call BU a 'pretty good team' when Ruffin was playing. They were a horribly inconsistent team that played some stretches of good basketball, but underacheived. They played a good non-con schedule, but they lost to every quality team on it (and to one non-quality opponent). What does that prove? They played a good second half against Vandy and lost, they played a good 32 minutes against Michigan State and lost...is that all it takes to call yourself a 'good basketball team', nowadays?
                  Close doesn't mean a thing except in horseshoes, hand grenades, and the RPI calculation, evidently. I'm sure there are a bunch of posters on Oakland University's fan site trying to pat themselves on the back for 'playing 35 minutes of great basketball against Michigan State' and in the process 'proving to the world that we are a really good basketball team'...

                  This team has been inconsistent and disappointing from day 1...now we just have this Ruffin excuse to use as a crutch for it...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                    I agree with this. Am I the only one here who recalls that we were a pretty good team when we had a healthy Daniel Ruffin? IMO, BU could have won the VCU, UNI and WSU games with a healthy DR. Bradley's RPI was around 40 before their skid, and would still be there if DR was healthy and Bradley was 10-5 or 11-4.

                    Where would UNI be without Coleman, Drake without Josh Young, or SIU without Falker. Those are 1st team All MVC players who represent for their teams what Daniel Ruffin was to Bradley.
                    I can't agree completely. Dan Ruffin is not why we're getting blasted on the boards, playing terrible defense, and getting embarrased in every game. Yes, he would have helped, but other programs find ways to win and overcome injuries. I recall a Creighton team 2 years ago that didn't have Nate Funk for the entire season, and starting point guard Josh Dotzler for the 2nd half of the league season, and yet still nearly made the NCAA's and still garnered an NIT bid (in the deepest MVC in recent memory). It's not an excuse to be this bad. I don't expect us to be as good without Dan Ruffin, but I don't expect us to not be competitive either. We aren't competing, and it's embarrassing. There's no excuse not to compete, to not rebound, or to not defend. I don't think I am being unreasonable thinking that we should be able to do those things. Those are what even mediocre basketball teams like Northern Iowa and Wichita St do.

                    Since the Valley season started, has there been a team that we've played that's more talented than us, even with Dan Ruffin on the sidelines? I would argue no.
                    Onward and Upward!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by molar50 View Post
                      Sorry, but the president of Bradley is too new in her position to tell Jim Les what to do about his team losing. She has other priorities than Jim Les. I am sure Les knows he is on the hot seat, especially after stating that this was the best recruiting season for him. If things get ugly, I do not think that Les would lose his job either this year or next year. But who knows, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Look how fast both the 2 ISUs have improved.
                      Molar, for the most part, I agree with your post... I think that Les' job is secure until a couple of years after the new facilities are finished. After that???? Given the state of our current facilities, I think that JL has done an excellant job recruiting.... Another thing here is that most of our decent talent is young.... (not using this as an excuse for this years team at all) It's college hoops so you never know.....
                      Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                      ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ER3 View Post
                        I wouldn't necessarily call BU a 'pretty good team' when Ruffin was playing. They were a horribly inconsistent team that played some stretches of good basketball, but underacheived. They played a good non-con schedule, but they lost to every quality team on it (and to one non-quality opponent). What does that prove? They played a good second half against Vandy and lost, they played a good 32 minutes against Michigan State and lost...is that all it takes to call yourself a 'good basketball team', nowadays?
                        Close doesn't mean a thing except in horseshoes, hand grenades, and the RPI calculation, evidently. I'm sure there are a bunch of posters on Oakland University's fan site trying to pat themselves on the back for 'playing 35 minutes of great basketball against Michigan State' and in the process 'proving to the world that we are a really good basketball team'...

                        This team has been inconsistent and disappointing from day 1...now we just have this Ruffin excuse to use as a crutch for it...
                        Agree ER... I havent seen too many games recently in which I could honestly say that we win this game with a healthy Ruffin... I dont mean this as a knock on Ruff either.....
                        Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                        ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                          I agree with this. Am I the only one here who recalls that we were a pretty good team when we had a healthy Daniel Ruffin? IMO, BU could have won the VCU, UNI and WSU games with a healthy DR. Bradley's RPI was around 40 before their skid, and would still be there if DR was healthy and Bradley was 10-5 or 11-4.

                          Where would UNI be without Coleman, Drake without Josh Young, or SIU without Falker. Those are 1st team All MVC players who represent for their teams what Daniel Ruffin was to Bradley.

                          I tend to agree with you DC. However, I do believe that a program that is in good order should not have all goals and expectations thrown out because of the loss of one player for a portion of the season. We should at the least be able to weather the storm (i.e. win home games versus mid level league foes) in a season where we expected to compete for the conference championship.

                          I don't want to "jump ship" on JL. I think that very few would. We are just discussing historical patterns, that in many cases cause our wives to encourage us to come off the roof.
                          Get Well Massive Mike! "Once a Brave always a Brave!"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Beninator View Post
                            Agree ER... I havent seen too many games recently in which I could honestly say that we win this game with a healthy Ruffin... I dont mean this as a knock on Ruff either.....
                            It does not seem that way, but When I think back to the exhibition games, I remember thinking that Ruff had to play way too much against those sub D1 opponents. I wanted to see the exhibition games as time to develop new talent, but BU played lost without Ruff on the floor..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by molar50 View Post
                              Sorry, but the president of Bradley is too new in her position to tell Jim Les what to do about his team losing. She has other priorities than Jim Les. I am sure Les knows he is on the hot seat, especially after stating that this was the best recruiting season for him. If things get ugly, I do not think that Les would lose his job either this year or next year. But who knows, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. Look how fast both the 2 ISUs have improved.
                              I disagree that she's too new to do anything about it. But I don't think you make a move this year, anyways, and I'm sure she realizes this year is probably a gimme.

                              That said, she demands results and success, and will not tolerate embarrassment. If she feels that a change is needed tomorrow, she will see to it that happens. And that's leadership, whether it ruffles feathers or not. I want a decision-maker in charge, not a panderer or a committee maker.

                              And the men's basketball coach is the most visible position at Bradley University (well at least until President Glasser took the Presidency). As the program goes, so goes a lot of what happens at the University as far as donors, projects, and marketing. One of her first official acts was removing the volleyball coach at the end of the year.

                              We're looking at just 2 seasons over .500 in 6 years and those are not results she is willing to take.

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