BIG Men Analysis - David Collins Must Play More!!!

[basketball nut]

Good observations when just looking at these numbers but if we could look at some numbers such as how many rebounds have been taken away from him before he got rid of the ball-how many times has he thrown a weak pass that the other team comes up w/-how many passes that were thrown to him did he miss.
I could go on and on about how he has cost us but I won't. The one thing we need is a stronger inside presence I would love to see Egolf get some inside game and would love to see DC play up to his potential. The best thing he can do is rebound but he is not an offensive presence (but then again neither was Rodman or Wallace but they could play defense which DC has not learned how). I don't know if he just doesn't realize what he has to do to be successful or if he just soft. From what I have heard he is very strong but plays like he isn't. I would love to see an inside game of DC & WE working together down low but they both need to get tougher on "D" and that is what we lack on the inside along w/ any offense. As Barry Henson said he wasn't worried about BU's fast start because we have no inside game and they would put the big guys outside to help stop the 3 and it worked and will continue to work by all teams until we establish a rebounding presence by someone, anyone, other then the other team.

[shaunguth]

The best thing he can do is rebound but he is not an offensive presence

I disagree with this statement as Collins has done rather well being productive on BOTH ends of the floor when he has gotten the playing time. This is evident when looking at the Production Per 40 Minutes:

Points
18.1 - Daniel Ruffin
18.0 - Andrew Warren
17.7 - David Collins
17.1 - Sam Singh
15.8 - Jeremy Crouch

In fact, DC has the same offensive production (5.0 pts/gm) as Salley (5.7 pts/gm) and he's doing it in less than half the playing time Salley is getting. (10.5 min/gm compared to 22.7 min/gm)

If DC is "not an offensive presence", then Salley is half that!

[shaunguth]

And I still cannot fathom the out-of-nowwhere now playing of Austin (and now maybe the not really playing of Austin). Did he or Jimmy have an epiphany? And jeez, going from 0 miuntes to quality playing time, the coaches should not jerk him or compain when he sets a bad screen, makes a bad foul, or pass here and there. Going from "0 to 60" is bad enough on a car, but an athlete

Not sure what you mean by this. The last five games have seen Austin on the floor for a total of 21 minutes.

[BradleyBrave]

I've got to believe it's a practice/effort thing with DC. That's the only logical explanation. Jim isn't trying to lose games. I know several people have echoed the Allen Iverson 'practice?!?' mantra, but I agree with Wessler - If you reward guys who don't give the effort in practice, you lose the team completely.

My question on that philosophy/assumption is regarding Sam Singh. Did he give such poor effort in practice as to not play against UNI, yet practice so much better that he warranted major minutes against MSU?

[ER3]

My question on that philosophy/assumption is regarding Sam Singh. Did he give such poor effort in practice as to not play against UNI, yet practice so much better that he warranted major minutes against MSU?

I've mentioned it in other threads...but as far as Singh's minutes go, it is completely dependent on the matchup...MSU and WSU didn't have a big guy that could exploit Singh's lack of foot speed and inability to defend someone with quickness in the post, so he was able to play significant minutes in those games...against UNI, he simply could not be asked to try and defend Coleman...Every possession for UNI would have turned out just like every Butler possession did when Singh was brought into that game...isolate Matt Howard on Singh, clear the other 4 players out away from the ball and let Howard beat Singh to the basket...worked every time.
So not playing Singh against UNI was good coaching from a matchup perspective, IMO...They would have put in a lineup with Coleman at the 5 and Singh would have been defenseless in the post...

[ghunt]

And I still cannot fathom the out-of-nowwhere now playing of Austin (and now maybe the not really playing of Austin). Did he or Jimmy have an epiphany? And jeez, going from 0 miuntes to quality playing time, the coaches should not jerk him or complain when he sets a bad screen, makes a bad foul, or pass here and there. Going from "0 to 60" is bad enough on a car, but an athlete

Not sure what you mean by this. The last five games have seen Austin on the floor for a total of 21 minutes.

I am nout sure what you are not sure about understanding. The point was:

out-of-nowwhere now playing of Austin (and now maybe the not really playing of Austin).

He went from more-or-less not playing (13 mins. in the previous 9 games) to playing 10 mins. in the heart of the NIU game to playing just 5 in the MSU game, to 1 in the WSU game. And the 0 to 60 crack was a lame, smart-aleck crack on my part

[real fan]

DC gets in the 1st half and once again seems to be lost.

[ph]

DC gets in the 1st half and once again seems to be lost.

Has anyone on the team "found" it? or playing without error?

[bu fan 9]

DC did look bad tonite.

[houstontxbrave]

DC did look bad tonite.

Did you see Da Coach on TV because that would be the only DC that didnt look bad tonight.

[Garland 22]

We have so many problems much larger than DC. No pun intended.

He is a decent mid major back-up center.

He is by no means a game changer or for that matter a season changer.

What we need right now is for Les to slow the game down, and start running ball screens designed to get guards to the basket. We don't shoot free throws. We don't get forwards scoring going to the basket. We shoot threes off motion plays that are designed to move the ball farther from the basket. We are struggling and seemingly moving to lower percentage shots. Ruffin or no Ruffin this will only be righted by going to the basket.

[Rusty 54]

I think we need to speed things up. A half court game without a low post presence is going lead to us getting destroyed. Slowing the game down is usually done by teams that defend well and are tenacious but are limited offensively. Until we care enough to defend (if you heard Les' post game comments) running a fast break offense at least until Ruffin gets back and gets into top form will allow Warren better opportunities, Crouch could get more open looks, Wilson to use his athleticism and ability to penetrate, and DC and Egolf would be able to run and have the chance to crate mismatches if the other teams bigs are not as athletic. Sam M would be under a lot of pressure, and this kind of offense works best if the team gets a lot of turnovers. Which we don't. But in any case I think that if we slow things down we will lose a lot more games like tonight where 15-18 point deficits seem like 50 point deficits. But I could be wrong. I am still pretty ticked about the game.

[shaunguth]

DC did look bad tonite.

Don't look now, but TCS has looked bad EVERY night and still seems to find his way onto the court over and over to continue missing 3-pointers AND layups!

[shaunguth]

I am nout sure what you are not sure about understanding. The point was:


He went from more-or-less not playing (13 mins. in the previous 9 games) to playing 10 mins. in the heart of the NIU game to playing just 5 in the MSU game, to 1 in the WSU game. And the 0 to 60 crack was a lame, smart-aleck crack on my part

I guess I just don't consider 10 minutes surrounded by games of 2, 3, 5, and 1 minute to be considered "quality playing time".

[Beninator]

Dallas, I like your statistical breakdown, but after last night, I think that if we use RA with MS we will get the same results. I think we should still play DC but have DC coming off the bench as he seemed lost last night.