Bob Knight Gets Reprimanded

[tornado]

Reprimanded by the Big XII Conference for criticizing the refs.....duhhhhh what's new??

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/122407aaa.html

Whattya all think, is Bob Knight at Texas Tech sorta like watching Willie Mays with the Mets?

Isn't it sad to see a HOF coach languishing at .500 with a pretty mediocre team, barely able to recruit because he's holed up in Lubbock, and not even making many headlines with his language and behavior?
Wasn't it painful to watch Willie playing poorly in his geriatrric years, just because he still needed the money and couldn't retire?
Surely Bobby can retire, he's got all the records he needs, and can make a good living doing reality shows on ESPN or "color" commentary like Billy Packer.

Presently with a 5-5 record against D-I, this is the worst record in the Big 12, and the fewest D-I wins and MOST D-I losses by any Big 12 team.
Even Iowa State is 7-5 without the benefit of playing D-II's like Texas Tech.

Here are a few clips of Bobby in the good old days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvRO2GE4x4M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5QvuZOdczg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ukj6Qi5W_k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ihZ5xJSNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw7KijRfU-c&NR=1

Bob Knight's conference record since coaching at Texas Tech, 50-46,
and so he might well fall sub.-500 after this season.

[Lakeview Brave]

I would be happy if our coach had a conference record over 500.

[Da Coach]

Over the past 2 seasons, which he had his own recruits, Jim Les is 21-15.

IMO it is not fair to judge him for the years before he had his own players recruited.

[bert notorius]

God help his wife if he ever retires....

[BradleyBrave]

Over the past 2 seasons, which he had his own recruits, Jim Les is 21-15.

IMO it is not fair to judge him for the years before he had his own players recruited.

I agree to a point, but those teams weren't completely devoid of talent. Not enough so to finish below .500 in league play and be in the play-in round IMO. Without reopening this Pandora's Box regarding the first 3 years of this regime, I am of the mindset of looking at the last 2 seasons as well.

[Average Joe]

Somehow the luster has faded

[bert notorius]

2003-04 Bob Knight 23-11 .676
2002-03 Bob Knight 22-13 .629
2001-02 Bob Knight 23-9 .719
2000-01 James Dickey 9-19 .321

[Lakeview Brave]

Over the past 2 seasons, which he had his own recruits, Jim Les is 21-15.

IMO it is not fair to judge him for the years before he had his own players recruited.

So its not fair to judge someone before they have 4 years of recruiting? Does this mean we shouldnt judge Jerry Wainwright? Just checking so when the next Depaul sucks post comes up, I know what is fair and what is not.

[Lakeview Brave]

2003-04 Bob Knight 23-11 .676
2002-03 Bob Knight 22-13 .629
2001-02 Bob Knight 23-9 .719
2000-01 James Dickey 9-19 .321

What does this mean? Knight was just living off all that great left over talent. LOL
The funny thing about critizing Knight is his record in terms of wins, graduation rate and lack of NCAA violations speaks for itself. No doubt on of the greatest coaches of all time and IMO that is only enhance by what he has done at Texas Tech.

[tornado]

Actually, Wainright is already playing almost totally with his own players, so he falls under the "OK to go ahead and criticize" column.


And......Bert's post quite strongly supports my point of view, that Bob Knight's early success at Texas Tech,
could be argued to strongly correlate with still having the PREVIOUS coach's talent on board.

Only after Bob Knight began to use ESPN "Reality Shows" to select the players on his roster, did
his coaching performance start to take a real dive.

I wonder how much people would be on Jim Les' back if he had those kinds of years that Bert listed for RMK,
and then dropped to what we've had the past season and a half. They'd really be riping JL!

[Lakeview Brave]

Ok well you just let me know when I can expect us to have enough players and talent to finish in the top 3 of the Valley. What year in a coach's tenure is it ok to expect finishing in the top 3?

[Beninator]

Whattya all think, is Bob Knight at Texas Tech sorta like watching Willie Mays with the Mets?

I dont know if I would go that far, but I will say that having met Willie Mays, I can tell you that Willie and Bobby have the same demeanor.

[Lakeview Brave]

[QUOTE=tornado;54651]Actually, Wainright is already playing almost totally with his own players, so he falls under the "OK to go ahead and criticize" column.

In 04-05 We had a team of almost entirely Coach Les recruits. We were 6-12 in conference who can we criticize for that? Ok Ill blame coach MO

[tornado]

There are three separate categories....here they are...

1-If a coach inherits 20 win talent or NCAA bid talent from the prior coach, then you can expect that coach will do OK for a few years. But after
4-5 years he should be doing at least equally as well with his own recruits, or his coaching/recruiting abilities may come under suspicion.
Examples.........Chris Lowery, Bruce Weber, Bob Knight at Texas Tech, Ben Jacobson at UNI, Rob Jeter at UW-M, and-- soon-- Kelvin Sampson at IU.

2-If a coach inherits mediocre talent, that cannot even get to .500 in that coach's first year, then he deserves a pass for
3-4 years, and by then should be in the Sweet Sixteen or headed there if he's a great coach.
Examples of those succeeding.....Jim Les, Bill Self at KU, Jim Molinari when he came to BU, and Dana Altman at Creighton.
Examples of those failing....Porter Moser, Ritchie McKay at New Mexico, and Tubby Smith at UK.

3-If a coach inherits either good or lousy talent, and in
2-3 full years still has nothing but lousy talent, and still can't win or has turmoil even with the players he recruited himself, then he is doing a bad job and should be place directly on the HOT SEAT.
Examples...Jerry Wainwright, Mick Cronin at Cincy, Mike Davis at IU, Tommy Amaker at Michigan, and soon-Rick Majerus, & Kelvin Sampson.



Hey....LB....in 04-05, Jim Les had NINE first year players, FOUR second year players, and a couple holdover recruits from the Mo-era...
The fact that they started the season 7-1, and then 11-5, before all those new and young players "hit the wall", was, I think a really good sign of how well BU would complete the follwoing season.
I certainly saw no reason to panic when BU finished the 04-05 season just under .500.

[Lakeview Brave]

There are three separate categories....here they are...

1-If a coach inherits 20 win talent or NCAA bid talent from the prior coach, then you can expect that coach will do OK for a few years. But after
4-5 years he should be doing at least equally as well with his own recruits, or his coaching/recruiting abilities may come under suspicion.
Examples.........Chris Lowery, Bruce Weber, Bob Knight at Texas Tech, Ben Jacobson at UNI, Rob Jeter at UW-M, and-- soon-- Kelvin Sampson at IU.

2-If a coach inherits mediocre talent, that cannot even get to .500 in that coach's first year, then he deserves a pass for
3-4 years, and by then should be in the Sweet Sixteen or headed there if he's a great coach.
Examples of those succeeding.....Jim Les, Bill Self at KU, Jim Molinari when he came to BU, and Dana Altman at Creighton.
Examples of those failing....Porter Moser, Ritchie McKay at New Mexico, and Tubby smith at UK.

3-If a coach inherits either good or lousy talent, and in
2-3 full years stil has nothing but lousy talent, and still can't win or has turmoil even with the players he recruited himself, then he is doing a bad job and should be place dirctly on the HOT SEAT.
Examples...Jerry Wainwright, Mick Cronin at Cincy, Mike Davis at IU, Tommy Amaker at Michigan, and soon-Rick Majerus, & Kelvin Sampson.

Danny Granger was not medicore talent, he was one of the most talented players in BU history. Danny Granger took a team ( New Mexico) with medicore talent at best and no player as good as Phil Gilbert to the NCAA.