Illini lose at home to Miami

[chitownBUB]

In case Illinois needed even more bad news, here's some


**fans are near revolt, and see little help until the next round of recruits arrive, possible 2-3 years away.

**Starting point guard Chet Frazier is 1-18 over the past 3 games and 9 turnovers

**The only other short term help seems to be evaporating as Alex Legion mentions Illinois but now backing away from prior comments that he may choose Illinois.

**Quinton Watkins, a high scoring 4-Star guard that was supposed to be at Illinois except for academics, has now changed his mind and is going somewhere else.
He will enroll at San Diego State and play next season.

[tornado]

I note a quite a few locked threads over on the Illinois boards, and a few threads about the supposedly "great" freshmen and soph players in the Peoria area....based on the PJ Star article.

http://pjstar.com/stories/122107/HS__rivercitybabyboom.php

But one of the reasons that underclassmen are starting and contributing at numerous local high schools, I believe, is because of the severe lack OF TALENT IN THE 2008 THROUGH 2010 classes!
Other than Matt Roth, Simms-Edwards, and DJ Richardson, who is there??, so the frosh fill the void.
And even the presence of DJ at Central cannot make them a .500+ team and so many of the local teams (except Washington) have done poorly when playing competition from outside the area.


I will be highly surprised if any of the local freshmen mentioned get scholarship offers for at least a couple years.
(plus both Stewart and Rochford are NOT 6-feet. They are maybe 5-10 at best, and both quite mature and have been at that height for a couple years already, so likely are not going to get bigger.)

[beamer1]

DePaul and Illinois should swap coaches

[bert notorius]

I enjoy the cyclical nature of the rise and fall of college basketball programs. Even the mighty Duke can't avoid the inevitable pull of statistics. The year I pulled into the UI campus, Bartow thought he would stop by and win eight games that year. That was the worst season IL has had looking back- welcome to Champaign.

It would be interesting to know how many schools have tape on the 37-2 Weber team. They are the benchmark of how the motion should be run. Want to defend IL? Watch the tape. All I can really say on that is even in HS we had a couple different offenses to run if one wasn't working...

[Beninator]

DePaul and Illinois should swap coaches

Wow.. You must not like the Illini to wish Wainright on them... I am not an Illini fan, but I think that Wainright is one of the worst coaches out there.

[tornado]

Some Illini fans think Jeffrey Jordan should be given more playing time, and one online hoops service is actually claiming that Jeff Jordan has NBA-level talent!!!

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-draft/nba-draft-news/a-review-of-jeffrey-jordan-ar46558.html

"As of right now, I think Jeffrey could be an Antonio Daniels- type player in the NBA, and if he develops a good three point shot, he could be a more athletic version of Derek Fisher."


Ahem......let me add to this discussion, as here are Jeffrey Jordan's NCAA D-I stats, they speak for themselves.
He has played in only 6 games, but those games he has played in are the teams' easiest opponents, as Jeffrey has not gotten off the bench in the tougher games....

Among all Illini players who have scored even one point, Jeffrey is dead last with these stats...........

6 games, 35 minutes played, 5.8 mpg, 0-7 from the floor, 0-1 from 3pt range, 3-6 (50%) on FT's, 2 rebs (0.3rpg), 2 assists (0.3apg), 6 turnovers (1TO/gm) and 0.5 ppg scoring average.

Can anyone tell me if there has even been an NBA player who went to college and ever had a stat line that paltry?
I suspect not.

[SFP]

Who cares????? The only good thing is that a mid-major again won on the road at a BCS school.....

[houstontxbrave]

Those pretty much sound like a freshman walk ons numbers. If he were better I have a hard time believing that with his name and their lack of guard play that Jordan would not be play much more.

I am guessing as with many many freshman guards he is not physically ready to play at the Division 1 level, even it that level is in the Big 11

[bert notorius]

To be fair to JJ you don't accumulate many stats from the bench. The fans calling for more playing time are mostly frustrated by the play of the guards out on the floor. And there is a percentage of all fan bases that don't have a clue. Like it or not BU is now tied to the hip of the B10 rpi. It's like we're all one, big, happy family.

[Les is More]

After watching Miami Ohio play before we played Illinois in the Finals at the Chicago tournament last year, it is hard to imagine them beating anyone, let alone Illinois at HOME. Watching them play was one of the worst games I have ever seen.

[MacabreMob]

After watching Miami Ohio play before we played Illinois in the Finals at the Chicago tournament last year, it is hard to imagine them beating anyone, let alone Illinois at HOME. Watching them play was one of the worst games I have ever seen.

Charlie Coles is a great coach at Mia-Oh. Not the flashiest teams, I guess.

But you can also blame some of that "eye-stabbing" performance on UIUC.

And SIU is the same way.

And then DoubleD's comment... "Where is this MOTION OFFENSE," I keep hearing about.

Where have we heard that before? (and not wanting to turn this on Mo and into a thread about Mo.... it is about UIUC) The relevance (to me) is that SO MANY UIUC fans would ask me how I could stand watching such poor offensive efforts.

[tornado]

Those pretty much sound like a freshman walk ons numbers.

Naww....he's had 35 minutes on the floor.....

If he's a shooting guard, shouldn't he be better than 0-7 by now?
If he's trying to play a little PG, shouldn't he have a few more assists, remember, those minutes are against the deep bench players of the ery few teams that Illinois has gotten a big lead on.

Compare....
Brian Lavin...has played only 6 total minutes this season and has the same number of assists as Jordan....2, but nowhere NEAR the 6 turnovers Jordan has.
and not one player on BU's roster has as few of "points per minute played (0.2)" and "FG per minutes played (zero)" as Jordan has.

[lefty]

Naww....he's had 35 minutes on the floor.....

If he's a shooting guard, shouldn't he be better than 0-7 by now?
If he's trying to play a little PG, shouldn't he have a few more assists, remember, those minutes are against the deep bench players of the ery few teams that Illinois has gotten a big lead on.

Compare....
Brian Lavin...has played only 6 total minutes this season and has the same number of assists as Jordan....2, but nowhere NEAR the 6 turnovers Jordan has.
and not one player on BU's roster has as few of "points per minute played (0.2)" and "FG per minutes played (zero)" as Jordan has.

personally I would compare any numbers for people who have played 35 min. in 10 games...
they don't really count for anything

[bert notorius]

If history repeats, Jordan's tend to improve with age.

[Beninator]

Big 10 is a 3 bid league, the MVC is a 2 bid league. Book it.

Hope you are right Bradleybrave, but the committee pretty much gives the Big Ten 2 more bids than what they deserve... At this time, I am thinking that the Big Ten gets 5 bids.