UCLA Cheated

[Bravesguy]

You can bet the NCAA won't go back and take their titles away, but the evidence is there that they cheated like there was no tomorrow when it came to getting the the recruits back in the 60-70's.

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[BU fan]

If you ever want to debate that there is a double standard between the chosen programs and those branded as renegade by the NCAA, consider this stunning passage.

"UCLA players were so well taken care of -- far beyond the ground rules of the NCAA -- that even players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years," Walton said. "If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.

"... The NCAA is working night and day trying to get Jerry, but no one from the NCAA ever questioned me during my four years at UCLA."

Sorry, I just can't belive the NCAA would use different standards when looking into college programs.

[MacabreMob]

I have always believed that there has been and still is corruption in college basketball.

I just wish someone would come forward and write a book exposing everything they have seen and know to be true. Someone like Tark. Or Bobby Knight. Or Bobby Huggins. Or maybe an unhappy Quinn Snyder, exposing all at Mizzoo and what he learned while as an assistant at Duke.

[Bravesguy]

It won't happen, since those guys would have to implicate themselves. Clean guys like Molinari or Les do lodge complaints
(as in the tampering by UW-M and New Mexico or the illegal recruiting contact by Jerry Wainwright) and guess what?
The NCAA either ignores them or gives out a tiny slap.

[BU Bill]

Just to set the record straight, it was Bradley's Athletic Director that filed a complaint of tampering against New Mexico, and not coach Molinari. I don't recall coach Mo ever speaking publically about it. The NCAA ruled that New Mexico had indeed tampered.

And nobody at Bradley had any contact with the NCAA regarding the DePaul incident. Neither Jim Les nor Ken Kavanagh has ever spoken to the NCAA or publically about the matter, to their credit. The illegal contact by Wainwright was first made public by a reporter for the Southern Illinoisan in a published interview with Manual Cass where Cass stated he made his decision when the DePaul coach came down to Carbondale the Sunday before the November signing date. Then it was made into a bigger deal by the Bradley beat writer for the Journal Star. It was DePaul, themselves, who realized they had been caught red-handed in a recruiting violatrion and turned themselves in to the NCAA. They made up a lame excuse and pleaded for mercy.

[beamer1]

Yes, we know all that, but did UW-M or DePaul ever get any penalty?
And did the penalty at New Mexico go any further than one of their assistants having to attend a compliance seminar?

[tornado]

..... "If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.....

I thought this was relevant...since the ethics of Tarkanian were brought into this discussion on how UCLA got away with cheating galore during their NCAA glory years.

seems like Tark's son chose an equally ethics-challenged profession...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14385830/

[flipper]

this is a story from tark's viewpoint. funny how someone who has cheated with questionable ethics always try to paint the opposition as worse. they got the raw deal and the opponents are worse but never get any penalty.

to compare john wooden and ucla to tark & unlv is a joke.tark is selling another book.

john wooden has been and still is a very classy guy. maybe the best college basketball coach in the history of the game.

[tornado]

Interesting article, although nothing new.

It argues that coaches and recruiters who CHEAT generally thrive and do well despite the penalties handed down by NCAA>

In other words, cheating pays off!

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/16228981.htm

[IlliBraves]

That's the sad truth in college basketball. I do believe that there are still a few ethical guys out there, but everybody for the most part does what they can to get an edge. Say what you want about Bobby Knight, but all of his players graduate, and if you're not going to class, you're not going to play.

[tornado]

All of Bob Knight's players graduate?

When will the myths and urban legends ever cease.

I have shown here numerous times, using the most accurate data from NCAA and the Big Ten, that Bob Knight's players don't graduate any more than the general average of all NCAA D-I basketball programs, which is considerably less than just about every other sport.

According to the NCAA Graduation Rtaes just released, the rates at Indiana from 1996-1999 (Bob Knight's years)
was 67% with a GSR of 82%.
The average of all D-I's was 77%, but the average of all Big Ten schools was slioghtly higher.
Of course if a player leaves early for the NBA draft, it will affect data, but Knight did NOT have as many players drafted as many of the other Big Ten schools.

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