Early RPI numbers- Bradley soon to play #1 RPI team

[Da Coach]

It early to be talking about RPI numbers. But I just looked at the RPI ranking after games on Thursday, and the #1 RPI team in the country will be playing Bradley soon.
No, it's not SEMO (RPI #248 ) or Michigan State (RPI #33), but Wright State is ranked #1 overall in RPI.--

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

The top MVC team surprisingly is Drake at #15--

http://kenpom.com/conf.php?y=2008&c=MVC

Despite the apparent "down year" for the MVC, they remain the #5 ranked conference. The Big Ten is #7--

http://kenpom.com/confrank.php?y=2008

[Scouter]

[ser_solace]

Wright State plays Butler just before they play us? Is it normal for a conference game to be in the middle of their non-conf. schedule?

[MacabreMob]

Wright State plays Butler just before they play us? Is it normal for a conference game to be in the middle of their non-conf. schedule?

Some conferences have a game scheduled early like this. I think the Colonial just had one last night. And didn't ISU play someone early last year or a couple years ago.

EDIT: Here's the info-

George Mason played Drexel last night in the Colonial.

Last year, ISU played Evansville on 12/9 then had 3 more Non-Con games.

[mike radigan]

Sagarin is soooo much better than Ken Pom or anybody else's RPI early in the season. We argue about this every year. The fact of the matter is we do not know the method used by the selection commitee. Their method is kept secret, but they have stated they do use Sagarin. Just how much nobody knows. We do know for football the BCS uses Sagarin and how much it is used and it does not use Ken Pom.

BCS standings and selection method.

Anyway, Sagarin has BU ahead of Wright State, 80 vs 109 and I think that is about right. Sagarin's top 10:

North Carolina
Duke
UCLA
Kansas
Memphis
Texas
Georgetown
Wisconsin
Louisville
Texas A&M

Sagarin's site.

[Dubl R 1]

Some conferences have a game scheduled early like this. I think the Colonial just had one last night. And didn't ISU play someone early last year or a couple years ago.

EDIT: Here's the info-

George Mason played Drexel last night in the Colonial.

Last year, ISU played Evansville on 12/9 then had 3 more Non-Con games.

Didn't George Mason clobber Drexel last night by like 40 pts?

[MacabreMob]

Didn't George Mason clobber Drexel last night by like 40 pts?

G Mason won 85-38

[mike radigan]

Didn't George Mason clobber Drexel last night by like 40 pts?

Clobber is an understatement.

[MacabreMob]

Sagarin is soooo much better than Ken Pom or anybody else's RPI early in the season. We argue about this every year. The fact of the matter is we do not know the method used by the selection commitee. Their method is kept secret, but they have stated they do use Sagarin. Just how much nobody knows. We do know for football the BCS uses Sagarin and how much it is used and it does not use Ken Pom.

The only thing I don't like about Sagaqrin's at this time of the year is that it is based on the past year's stats up until a certain point. So until we get to the point where everyone is "connected", I pass on the Sagarin's info.

[mike radigan]

The only thing I don't like about Sagaqrin's at this time of the year is that it is based on the past year's stats up until a certain point. So until we get to the point where everyone is "connected", I pass on the Sagarin's info.

I say that is a good thing. Each team has many returning players and returning coaches. And teams DO repeat their history. If you thing Wright State should be number 1 and higher than North Carolina so be it, but I'll stick with Sagarin.

[mike radigan]

The only thing I don't like about Sagaqrin's at this time of the year is that it is based on the past year's stats up until a certain point. So until we get to the point where everyone is "connected", I pass on the Sagarin's info.

I should have stated this is my earlier reply to you. Sagarin only PARTIALLY uses last year's stats. It COMBINES last year AND this year until the teams are "connected".

[MacabreMob]

Mike - you are absolutely right on all accounts. RPI and Sagarin's are both better as time goes on. I don't put any stock really in either until later.

I suppose I turn my head on Sagarin's until "connected" because using last year's info is kinda like Digger and Packer saying we need to select team's to the NCAA based on their performance on getting to the Sweet16 in the last 5 years. Since I can't stand that kinda bias, I don't like seeing it in a rating.

Now... RPI used to not make sense or matter until February. But IMO it is a little sooner than that now since the season starts sooner and teams get to play more games in a season and teams are allowed to play in more in-season tourneys (instead of just 1 every 4 years).

The whole thing about the RPI (IMO), was the committee invented it so they could justify taking 7 B10 teams and only 1 MVC. But now that the MVC has cheated the formula, seems like they (the Packers and Diggers)don't understand the formula and want it dropped.

Anyway... I do like both stats late in the year.

[mike radigan]

I suppose I turn my head on Sagarin's until "connected" because using last year's info is kinda like Digger and Packer saying we need to select team's to the NCAA based on their performance on getting to the Sweet16 in the last 5 years.

Who are these Digger and Packer you reference?

[MacabreMob]

Who are these Digger and Packer you reference?

Couple of CrackPiped-MouthPieces in the Drive-By Media. LOL!

Here's something for ya... not sure if Sagarin has this info...

So far, Conference records against BCS Conferences.... the only ones at .500 or above:

ACC 17-7
MVC 6-4
PAC10 7-5
B12 8-8
Hor 5-5

The rest have losing records so far against BCS Conferences. (I know - it is early... just stating the facts up to this point)

[mike radigan]

Couple of CrackPiped-MouthPieces in the Drive-By Media. LOL!

Ya mean like this guy:

Here's something for ya... not sure if Sagarin has this info...

So far, Conference records against BCS Conferences.... the only ones at .500 or above:

ACC 17-7
MVC 6-4
PAC10 7-5
B12 8-8
Hor 5-5

The rest have losing records so far against BCS Conferences. (I know - it is early... just stating the facts up to this point)

Ya mean these conferences:



Sagarin's conference ratings.