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  • #16
    "Sampson doesn't seem to possess an accurate moral compass. It would be one thing if he was nailed for jaywalking. That, you can almost overlook, or at least forgive, the way you forgave Bob Knight all those hundreds of times."

    This is out of the Indy newspaper article that is in this post. This is the part that makes me wonder why Matt or more importantly his parents would want him to attend IU? If this was my kid I would be doing everything within my power to keep him from going to IU. At this point in a kids life people like Sampson will have a big impact on Matt's development as an adult. This is a pattern of unethical behavior that does not seem to change with so called penalties.

    I know Matt has the right to do whatever he thinks is best for him but I see a train wreck coming for Matt and unfortunately he will only get one chance to enjoy his college days!!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tornado in a quote from Kelvin Sampson

      "The rules that we broke were mistakes"
      OK, so is it any wonder when the players break the laws, that it's just considered a "mistake"
      or an "error in judgment" and never actually anything improper or illegal?
      This stuff will never end if they always make excuses for their illegal behavior.

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      • #18
        And it is obvious they knew all this last week and intentionally suppressed it until they could host their Midnight Madness,
        and impress the new recruits. Kelvin even knows how to take advantage of the sanctions.

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        • #19
          The NCAA Committee on Infractions has all the info submitted by IU and will have a chance to rule on these recent violations--


          What bothers me a little is this statement by the University President--
          IU president Michael McRobbie said in a statement that he was "very disappointed" and that "it appears that the coaching staff's impermissible actions were a result of carelessness, as opposed to any deliberate attempt to evade the sanctions."
          "We play by the rules at Indiana University, and we will not tolerate any sort of carelessness and inattentiveness that might give the public cause to doubt our commitment to the rules," McRobbie's statement said.


          Sorry, I don't buy it that it was simple carelessness.
          The president of the University should not be trying to minimize or excuse these obvious and flagrant violations by a coaching staff already under tight resrictions for previous violations.

          Here is another clip from that article--
          What makes the case unique is that three-way calls don't violate NCAA rules and are generally allowed. But in this case, they violated a restriction imposed on Sampson by the committee on infractions.

          So does anyone, including the IU Pres think that Kelvin Sampson did not know fully well that when he got onto those 3-way calls that he was breaking the rules placed on him?
          He had to know he was breaking the rules again, but that he thought he wouldn't get caught. I know these are not such major violations, but it does show that Coach Sampson seems to think he is above the rules, and that he is bigger than IU and the NCAA and can violate whatever rule he wants, whenever he wants.

          By the way, here is another line from the article--
          Green Harris' report also found 35 phone calls made by assistant coaches that violated NCAA recruiting rules. That's the issue that got Sampson in trouble with the NCAA at Oklahoma.

          So there were 35 calls among those cited that were completely illegal. These could have been calls made during a non-contact period, or other illigal calls. So why are they trying to make excuses? Sampson is responsible for these calls, even if they were made by assistants. This is exactly what he got into trouble at Oklahoma for. Even 1 such call should be sufficient to dismiss him and his staff for just cause. But that won't happen because of one more line from the article--
          On Friday, 13,000 IU fans had ushered in the new season by watching the team scrimmage. The Hoosiers, with star freshman Eric Gordon, the reigning Indianapolis Star Indiana Mr. Basketball from North Central High School, are among the favorites to win the Big Ten Conference. The program is generally considered to be surging.

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          • #20
            Sampso

            Come on you guys. All this talk about illegal phone calls. He was just trying to reach Duane Broussard.

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            • #21
              TNel, where is Broussard today? I have been unable to locate any info about him and where he went, but the lust for talent off someone else's roster was, in the end, the undoing of both Broussard and McKay.
              They just had to have every discontented player with talent, and after Granger supplied some modest success they went after Johnson and Giddens, who caused so much team chaos, suspensions, and disruption, that it led to lousy team performance and ultimately the firing of the staff.



              Now even more IU legends are calling to fire Sampson

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              • #22
                Regarding Former IU All American Kent Benson, who is calling for his alma mater to fire Kelvin Sampson--


                I recall Benson was very outspoken when Sampson was hired, and was opposed to the hiring of a non-IU guy, and somebody who had the baggage KS had.

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                • #23
                  Broussard

                  No idea where Broussard is today. Say what you will about Coach Mo, but he ran a clean program. Too bad Duane didn't take notes.

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                  • #24
                    Duane was a nice and a very ethical guy when I knew him at Bradley. I think he just got caught up in the Granger thing and thought he could pull off the transfer to New Mexico and earn a bunch of Brownie points with coach McKay that might further his career. But he got caught beaking the rules. I still don't think he believes he did anything wrong. He only violated the letter of the rule, not the spirit of the rule.

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                    • #25
                      A couple more articles--

                      How the violations were found-- the original check by the compliance officer missed them, but a recheck by an intern working in the compliance office uncovered them last July. The calls in question occurred as far back as January. It's take them 4 more months to have an outside review and confirm the violations occurred!--


                      The Sporting News' Mike DeCourcy's take on this--
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Da Coach View Post

                        The Sporting News' Mike DeCourcy's take on this--
                        http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=290191
                        DeCourcy is calling for the NCAA to impose a post season ban....and he lists all the fine recruits that Indiana got while committing those violations, and wonders whether those infractions actually gave IU an advantage, and even specultaes
                        "maybe the public-relations price Indiana basketball pays yet again is worth the cost."
                        since they got such good players.

                        Here are the players he names....Eric Gordon, wing Jamarcus Ellis, guard Jordan Crawford, small forward Devin Ebanks..." but he doesn't mention Matt Roth at all, as if he just doesn't deserve to be named among those others. NO RESPECT!!


                        Matt, are you listening? Get out now!! Kelvin Will Not last the season and will be canned!



                        PS-- here are a couple flashback threads......

                        a little over a year ago.....Sampson remprimanded by his own fellow coaches, and one of them predicts...
                        "the group does not think NCAA sanctions are sufficient" and that they won't deter Kelvin from breaking the rules further!!!


                        And almost exactly this time of year three years ago, the Indiana Coach (Mike Davis) landed an awesome
                        recruiting class, labelled as the best in the NATION.....Now he is gone and Sampson is there,
                        could this be prophetic, and in 3 more years we will be looking back wondering how Sampson could fail with such fine players?

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                        • #27
                          Maybe Matt Roth wants to play for a school on probation?!?!?!
                          Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                          ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                          • #28
                            But he was denied the information so that he could have made such a choice.
                            Personally, if it were me, I'd feel a little duped, and thankful I had not yet signed anything.
                            Even though the school knew of the violations last summer, they were not going to let it be known until after they got the verbals they wanted.
                            Sign in front of the Peoria Journal Star

                            also add "Price Slashed"

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                            • #29
                              B10 coaches take the high road at the B10 media day.

                              BASKETBLOG

                              Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, a good friend of Sampson, had this to say about the violations:

                              ???Not to make fun of anything, but to follow all the rules right now you almost need a personal secretary riding around with you. I am good friends with Kelvin. I don??™t know all of the situation so I??™m not going to be judge and jury. But from what I??™ve heard, from what I??™ve read, it seems like pretty tough punishments when I??™ve seen other schools maybe not punished as strongly for things I think are a lot worse. It??™s hard. He??™ll survive it. I feel bad for him, I feel bad for our league a little bit because you don??™t want those kinds of negative things. But I don??™t judge people on some of those NCAA rules that are difficult to follow, to interpret and to deal with in this never-ending struggle to recruit.???
                              Purdue coach Matt Painter didn??™t want to pass judgment on Sampson??™s violations, but had this to say:

                              ???I think you can make honest mistakes. There can be an exception here and there where you can make an honest mistake. I think you have to have some wiggle room in our business to make an honest mistake because that??™s what everybody does, as long as the intent is to go by the rule and not circumvent the rule. There are some guys who make honest mistakes and we can??™t sit there and crucify them for trying to do what??™s right and slipping up a little bit.???
                              Illinois coach Bruce Weber on Sampson??™s violations:

                              ???We hope that anybody in our business would try to adhere to the rules. I know I??™m not perfect, our staff isn??™t perfect. You??™re going to make mistakes, but you hope guys make a conscious effort to stay within the limitations that are put on you because that??™s why they??™re there, to help us. It??™s why you have stoplights, it??™s why you have speed limits ??“ for the betterment of everybody. I hope for everybody??™s sake everybody tries to do the right thing.???

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                              • #30
                                Thanks for those Bert.

                                All those comments want to make me puke... but it is the current times we live in... we live in a society where nobody has to take responsibility for anything...

                                Thankyou America!

                                We live in the best country where we don't have to remember doing anything and won't have to take responsibility for our actions!

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