Flagrant foul

[pauly616]

So i was watching the game via cable. In the second half the refs went to review a foul, which looked to be a flagrant foul against drake. Next i know they call a flagrant foul against bradley and drake never looked back. The tv announcers were surprised at the call and they never showed what happened to call the foul against bradley. Curious what happened there.

[Southside]

Looked like Dean gave the guy a little shove. But, it should have also been a flagrant on the kid who elbowed/shoved Hannah.

[BleedRed4]

Biggest officiating mishap of the season… almost reminds of the goaltending call they missed against Drake when Drake came to Peoria … funny how Drake gets the preferential calls

This flagrant foul debacle has me mind boggled.

Hannah drives to the basket and gets hammered by #1 From Drake. Hannah misses the shot, gets his rebound- ref calls foul. BUT as the play is continuing there’s both players coming down on their feet still somewhat bobbling at the ball and #1 from Drake gives a little shove to Hannah- Hannah flys off the court.

Now the replay comes on, all of America can see that #1 did give the shove to Hannah. You can even the see the reaction on the faces of the cheerleaders watching it happen. The most obvious of obvious calls. One broadcaster announces there’s a Flagrant 1 on the play- well hell that’s a no brainer.
The refs are then huddled up, discussing the situation - would have liked to know what these idiots were saying- after they talk it out- there’s then a double technical. The refs says Duke shoved #1 after Hannah had flew off the court. (Replay says another story) and they give #1 from Drake a tech.

here’s where it gets interesting:

Hannah shoots two free throws.. then Mascari gets two freethrows. Why in the world are they shooting freethrows- it’s a double technical!! They cancel out. Not the case. After Mascari shoots his freethrows- Drake then in bounds the ball and play resumes.

it’s a double tech, Hannah shoots his free throws that’s correct BUT WHY DOES MASCARI SHOOT TWO AND THEN GET THE BALL BACK? Drake initiated the technical foul, hell they initiated the flagrant 1 before this double technical non sense comes about… makes 0 sense.

Stirtz also had two freethrows after a time out neither team was in the bonus and the call was on the floor. how is our coaching staff not seeing this?!

that double technical was a huge game changer. We should have had 2 free throws, (2) flag 1 freethrows and the ball back. We got two freethrows and they got two freethrows and they got the ball back… ??? Make it make sense

[BraveBird]

I was under the impression that Hannah’s two free throws were due to being fouled in the act of shooting.
I believe the only tech was given to Duke…..I think the officials whiffed on not giving a tech to Manyawu.

[pauly616]

Glad I'm not the only one that was confused. Totally changed the rest of the game.

[houstonbrave]

Yes the only T was on Duke.

[egib52]

I was under the impression that Hannah’s two free throws were due to being fouled in the act of shooting.
I believe the only tech was given to Duke…..I think the officials whiffed on not giving a tech to Manyawu.

Correct, but I think the refs announced it wrong too.

[Tommy]

They announced a T on Drake at the time it happened, but then it changed. Very confusing.

[Canton BU fan]

I was there for all 11 games of the tournament and this officiating crew had several questionable moments. How can the biggest game of the entire conference season not have a more competent crew?

[Dubl R 1]

Final Four refs or not...they were awful. The flagrant foul review was a joke. I was sitting directly behind/under the bucket where the play happened about 3 rows up. You could (in real time) easily see the Drake Player wrestle the ball away from Hannah...even tho a foul had already been called, which was fine, but after he had the ball he both elbowed, AND followed thru with a shove of his free hand to throw "help" Hanna fly into the crowd.
After the debacle of a review, a fan asked the ref during the next timeout to explain what happened., then asked why it wasn't a flagrant/tech on Drakes player, and he responded with "no, Hannahs momentum was already carrying him out, so the elbow and shove wasn't what caused him to fall"....

So, If I walk up to a guy and try to punch him but miss, it's not a flagrant or a T?....of course BRADLEY gets the short end of the stick for something Drake initiated..

Also, Stirtz got fouled WHILE DRIBBLING a few plays before the above debacle, nowhere near the act of shooting, and after they came out of the timeout he shot 2 free throws...was nowhere near shooting, and BU had only 3 team fouls...no explanation for that.

Later, 2 refs signaled a 10 second violation on Drake when bringing up the ball, then the 3rd ref came over and they talked for 2 min WITHOUT reviewing anything, then again, no explanation given, gave Drake the ball back with 18 on the shot clock, and they inbounded the ball and slowly walked it up to the timeline AGAIN!..... no idea what the call was

[yoda]

Also, Stirtz got fouled WHILE DRIBBLING a few plays before the above debacle, nowhere near the act of shooting, and after they came out of the timeout he shot 2 free throws...was nowhere near shooting, and BU had only 3 team fouls...no explanation for that.

Later, 2 refs signaled a 10 second violation on Drake when bringing up the ball, then the 3rd ref came over and they talked for 2 min WITHOUT reviewing anything, then again, no explanation given, gave Drake the ball back with 18 on the shot clock, and they inbounded the ball and slowly walked it up to the timeline AGAIN!..... no idea what the call was

agree on both calls...here's my observation... but of course, I am not the ref...

the foul they called when Stirtz was dribbling into the lane, maybe he was going to shoot, but he lost control of the ball and was lunging toward the baseline trying to get full control back. It definitly should NOT have been a shooting foul

The 10 second call should have stood, but one ref said the ball had entered the frontcourt but was tipped back into the backcourt. But if you look carefully at a replay, that is bogus, the ball was tipped before it got into the frontcourt and it remained in the backcourt - shoulda been a 10 sec violaton call.

[egib52]

Final Four refs or not...they were awful. The flagrant foul review was a joke. I was sitting directly behind/under the bucket where the play happened about 3 rows up. You could (in real time) easily see the Drake Player wrestle the ball away from Hannah...even tho a foul had already been called, which was fine, but after he had the ball he both elbowed, AND followed thru with a shove of his free hand to throw "help" Hanna fly into the crowd.
After the debacle of a review, a fan asked the ref during the next timeout to explain what happened., then asked why it wasn't a flagrant/tech on Drakes player, and he responded with "no, Hannahs momentum was already carrying him out, so the elbow and shove wasn't what caused him to fall"....

So, If I walk up to a guy and try to punch him but miss, it's not a flagrant or a T?....of course BRADLEY gets the short end of the stick for something Drake initiated..

Also, Stirtz got fouled WHILE DRIBBLING a few plays before the above debacle, nowhere near the act of shooting, and after they came out of the timeout he shot 2 free throws...was nowhere near shooting, and BU had only 3 team fouls...no explanation for that.

Later, 2 refs signaled a 10 second violation on Drake when bringing up the ball, then the 3rd ref came over and they talked for 2 min WITHOUT reviewing anything, then again, no explanation given, gave Drake the ball back with 18 on the shot clock, and they inbounded the ball and slowly walked it up to the timeline AGAIN!..... no idea what the call was

Stirtz has the flop down solid. He just drives into the lane throws his hands up and just get fouls called.

The 18 second thing was because they alleged a change of possession when CD saved the ball inbounds.

[tomahawk chop]

Kelly Self and Kip Kissinger to me are just bad officials. This is the reason why coach said awhile back on his post game show that he didn"t understand why it seemed like the officials this year were not fair to BU.We have had so many bogus calls against us this season . The defender has every right to stand by the basket jump straight up and not be called for a foul. It seems like they do not know the verticality rule, 3 seconds in the lane and palming the ball which just about every player does anymore to gain an advantage.

[Da Coach]

The refs also blew the 10-second violation call. It was called a 10-second violation on the floor when Bradley pressed the Drake player in the backcourt and he passed the ball into the front court. But a Bradley player knocked it away from the intended Drake player and it bounced back into the backcourt. At no time was it in Bradley's possession, and at no time was it possessed by anyone in the frontcourt. If I understand the rule correctly, that should have remained a violation. But for some reason, one of the other officials overruled the call and it was given back to Drake to inbound in the backcourt.
It did not affect the final outcome, but I do not believe it should not have been overruled by the official on the other side of the court.

[yoda]

The refs also blew the 10-second violation call. It was called a 10-second violation on the floor when Bradley pressed the Drake player in the backcourt and he passed the ball into the front court. But a Bradley player knocked it away from the intended Drake player and it bounced back into the backcourt. At no time was it in Bradley's possession, and at no time was it possessed by anyone in the frontcourt. If I understand the rule correctly, that should have remained a violation. But for some reason, one of the other officials overruled the call and it was given back to Drake to inbound in the backcourt.
It did not affect the final outcome, but I do not believe it should not have been overruled by the official on the other side of the court.

as I noted above-

The 10 second call should have stood, but one ref said the ball had entered the frontcourt but was tipped back into the backcourt. But if you look carefully at a replay, that is bogus, the ball was tipped before it got into the frontcourt and it remained in the backcourt - shoulda been a 10 sec violaton call.

the explanation given to the announcers was the one ref who overturned the violation ruled it was in possession in the frontcourt before being tipped back to the backcourt