Embrace the Portal

[bradleyfan124]

Division 1 athletes playing basketball should not be considered workers because if that is the case every athlete in every sport would be getting paid. I have no problem getting paid if they actually have a real job outside of the sport they are involved in at their school. I understand this is the day and age we live in but going to school for free and getting free housing and meals plus all the events they get to travel to for free should be enough since very few students get any of that for them.
Do not accuse me of being political because Congress is responsible for most of this mess. The NCAA worked really well until others stuck their noses in and pretty much ruined collegiate sports.
Lastly our NIL is never going to have even close to the same amount of money that the P-5 powerhouses do mostly because of football.

I agree and disagree with part of what you said. Anytime you get Congress involved in anything they would screw up a wet dream.. But I think the NCAA was also corrupt which prompted what you see now. Took all the money for themselves and turned the other way when some of the big schools worked under the table benefits

[BengalFan]

Division 1 athletes playing basketball should not be considered workers because if that is the case every athlete in every sport would be getting paid. I have no problem getting paid if they actually have a real job outside of the sport they are involved in at their school. I understand this is the day and age we live in but going to school for free and getting free housing and meals plus all the events they get to travel to for free should be enough since very few students get any of that for them.
Do not accuse me of being political because Congress is responsible for most of this mess. The NCAA worked really well until others stuck their noses in and pretty much ruined collegiate sports.
Lastly our NIL is never going to have even close to the same amount of money that the P-5 powerhouses do mostly because of football.

Congress is not responsible for this. And I don’t want Congress involved. All of us who love our Alma maters brag as much as we can. Can you imagine a bunch of politicians sticking their nose in trying to leverage each other? Anyway, the kids can’t hold jobs so they should be compensated. I don’t necessarily agree that they should receive lots of direct cash but if a sandwich shop wants a player to be a spokesperson - and they’re vetted (thank you HOTB) - I’m good with that.

[Peoria_bradley_fan]

No NIL is writing that kind of money to a kid. They will facilitate endorsement deals or opportunities. I read where Kentucky played in the Bahamas so Oscar T could sign autographs for $. He made $50k. But no one wrote a check for him.

There are dozens of players who have already earned 7 figures from collectives in D1 athletics.

Some even 8 figures, well maybe not 8. But high 7.

[Peoria_bradley_fan]

Or you get the car dealer that is an avid fan and gives players a new truck to drive for 6 months at a time, like Oklahoma football team.
Heard rumors that InSt blue has a similar deal for some its BB players.
We could use someone like that in Peoria area for BU players.

Maybe I could get Duke Deen into a slightly used Tundra or F-150 if he put in a good word on the radio

[egib52]

Maybe I could get Duke Deen into a slightly used Tundra or F-150 if he put in a good word on the radio

He's already back...let's go find a 6'6 4 star with a 48" vert that can hit 40% from 3 lol

[Mikovio]

Trump appointee Supreme Court Justice Brett Cavanaugh wrote the majority opinion that created this. So blame conservative judges?

[Da Coach]

Trump appointee Supreme Court Justice Brett Cavanaugh wrote the majority opinion that created this. So blame conservative judges?

It was a 9-0 unanimous decision that upheld a lower court decision. So it was not just the conservative justices.
>> https://www.stradley.com/insights/pu...rt-august-2021
>> https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...a-compensation

[Mikovio]

It was certainly bipartisan. Anyway no use crying over spilled milk. Bradley can be the best MVC program in this brave new world, like Creighton, Wichita and Loyola in turn were. HOTB is doing at least as well as its peers, and that bodes well.

[molar50]

Would love to talk how politics and sports intersect sometime, but would need at least 2 bottles of wine. There are several factors that have resulted in the position that college sports are dealing with right now, but it all relates to the fault of the NCAA having selective enforcement and abdicating power to the big money schools. Later, we can talk about how taxpayers, especially in Illinois keep subsidizing billionaire owners to build facilities that enrich them at the taxpayers expense and the debts never are repaid.

[BengalFan]

It was a 9-0 unanimous decision that upheld a lower court decision. So it was not just the conservative justices.
>> https://www.stradley.com/insights/pu...rt-august-2021
>> https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...a-compensation

Nor the “liberal” ones.

[algotrader]

The transfer portal is pure capitalism plain and simple. Why shouldn't these kids move on and try to better their situation? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Same thing with scalping tickets or any other kind of arbitrage. Its a healthy and normal part of the economy. These kids have a product we want.

The question is whether or not we're going to start getting these kids more money through NIL and other means or not? You want them to stay? Open your wallet, plain and simple.

[Da Coach]

True, but it's not all capitalism that drives the transfers, but it is part of a free market system that the portal provides. Athletes in every sport, even the non-revenue sports, and in D2 utilize the transfer portal. And many of the football and basketball transfers have reasons other than capitalizing on the monetary worth. Players transfer to be closer to home, to study something that they can get a better education in at another school, to seek a bigger challenge, because of coaching changes, or because they just don't get along with their coaches or teammates, and many other reasons. The biggest reason for transfer, it appears, is the desire to get more playing time. But I agree it is something that should be allowed and not restricted as the NCAA had done for many decades.

[bradleyfan124]

Do I like the Portal..NO... but I think we have to accept it. I do think they need to put limits on it but that will evolve over time. I think we have to accept it and work it to our advantage. Find an advantage. The way I see it all the Power teams are loading up on transfers. I see good high school and Juco kids being left out. Go after them. Get them to our program for a couple years. Maybe by the time they have an opportunity to leave they just might say I like it here and I am staying. Can it happen? Yes.. ala Jashon Henry and Malevy Leons

[Stryker]

True, but it's not all capitalism that drives the transfers, but it is part of a free market system that the portal provides. Athletes in every sport, even the non-revenue sports, and in D2 utilize the transfer portal. And many of the football and basketball transfers have reasons other than capitalizing on the monetary worth. Players transfer to be closer to home, to study something that they can get a better education in at another school, to seek a bigger challenge, because of coaching changes, or because they just don't get along with their coaches or teammates, and many other reasons. The biggest reason for transfer, it appears, is the desire to get more playing time. But I agree it is something that should be allowed and not restricted as the NCAA had done for many decades.

It is a hard situation since the freedom for the players is justified and good imo. Historically college basketball has been restrictive and the schools basically had a level of control over the players that was not always very ethical. On the flip side, now it seems that whatever school has the most money will just buy the best team available on the court. Just like in the corporate world, the big boys get bigger and nothing can ever stop it, and the inequality between teams and product in mens college basketball just gets worse.

There just doesn't seem to be a solution. It's either player freedom/rights or completely unfair competitive landscape due to unequal resources.

As many have noted before, the new rules basically turn D-1 players into professionals. The pro leagues found a solution for inequality between programs a long time ago, and that is revenue sharing. I think the only way to get D1 athletics back to a more relatively competitive place would be to have some form of TV revenue sharing to all D1 programs over the entire season. The only way to get this would be government intervention though and it would like be unconstitutional as well, and of course all the big schools would fight it tooth and nail.

My prediction is over the next 10 years college basketball becomes even more top-heavy until the sport just starts shrinking, eventually non-power teams may all have to drop down to D2 essentially, and there will just be 60-80 "power teams". It will be forever changed unfortunately.

[Tommy]

The transfer portal is pure capitalism plain and simple. Why shouldn't these kids move on and try to better their situation? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Same thing with scalping tickets or any other kind of arbitrage. Its a healthy and normal part of the economy. These kids have a product we want.

The question is whether or not we're going to start getting these kids more money through NIL and other means or not? You want them to stay? Open your wallet, plain and simple.

It's a little different than pure capitalism. The NCAA is a collective unit that sets rules for it's members, much like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. The difference with the NCAA is that they cater what they do to a group of their members (but that's a different discussion). Also, students only have 4 years of eligibility and in a purely capitalistic system there wouldn't be any restriction like this. Basically, what has been created is a system where 3rd parties are paying players who have a limited lifespan of earning potential, so they are not making life long decisions, but short term decisions in order to cash in while they can.

Not sure how we got to the current system, but it's a real clever deal the NCAA and the colleges have worked out conning 3rd party NIL's into paying players while they continue to collect all the profits from all the work the players put out.

No idea what the solution is, but this current system is certainly far from perfect.