Connor Hickman enters portal

[CarolinaBrave]

Interesting idea, but I think that also would violate the Supreme Court's decision that the student-athletes cannot be impeded in transferring.

I'm not certain this is correct. I spoke to a D2 AD and he told me the reason they can't impede them is because they do not have a scholorship for the upcoming year yet. Lot's of D2 schools give 4 year scholorships for non revenue sports(not full rides and the intent is to get enrollment up) provided the students get certain GPA levels. He said they do not stop students from transferring but they could if they enforced the scholorships. It is no different than companies that require employees from signing a non compete. Schools do not want to do this because they don't want to be on the hook for players that don't work out but they can't have it both ways. P5 conferences will probably never have to change the way they operate because most players want to play there but the mid and small schools might have to start looking at different ways to operate if they want to continue to compete.

[Da Coach]

What you are describing with the "non compete" clause applied to student-athletes transferring is exactly what the Supreme court ruling does prohibit.
And this site explains scholarships pretty well. Note the section that says-
Are full ride scholarships for all 4 years?
No, full ride athletic scholarships are typically one-year agreements between the college and the athlete, although some are multi-year.
Link- https://www.ncsasports.org/recruitin...olarship-facts

There may be some cases that they are multi-year, but I have talked to a number of college coaches, and and I have never found any who has ever guaranteed a scholarship beyond a one year renewable agreement as long as the student-athlete meets their criteria.

[CarolinaBrave]

As I said yes they currently are typically year to year but nothing stops them from offering multi year. My son was a college triathlete at a D2 and had a guaranteed 4 year scholarship provided he maintained a 3.0 avg each semester and fully participated if/when healthy. They were offering 4 year scholarships because they were establishing the program. I can send you letter if you want. I guess it's possible the Supreme Court ruling prohibits contracts but I would be curious on what legal basis they based that on. My understanding was the ruling prohibited the NCAA from stopping transfers immediately not prohibiting schools from giving 4 year guaranteed contracts/scholarships. I understand why schools would not want to do this but they have had the scales firmly weighted to their side forever and things are starting to change. It's time for them to change with them.

[Da Coach]

Yes, I agree with you that schools can offer the full 4 year scholarships, but it is rarely done, especially in basketball and football where there are so many transfers, dropouts, injuries, and kids leaving early. Congratulations to your son.

[Stevezall]

Just read that Conner was Interviewed by Nebraska! Would he join R. Mast and feel more comfortable playing with his old teammate?

[lb071964]

Mast has eligibility left? Don’t think so?

[Da Coach]

My guess is no, though Hoiberg does need guards who can shoot.

[Dubl R 1]

Mast has eligibility left? Don’t think so?

Yes, Has Covid year left.

[Dubl R 1]

Just read that Conner was Interviewed by Nebraska! Would he join R. Mast and feel more comfortable playing with his old teammate?

That'd be tough to watch...especially If Connor left to play for his dream school of Indiana, but decided elsewhere. Who from Indiana dreams of playing basketball at Nebraska.

[Da Coach]

Yes, Has Covid year left.

Correct. He has played 4 seasons- 3 seasons at Bradley and one at Nebraska. He is eligible for the the extra Covid year if he chooses.

[Da Coach]

Connor Hickman - 6’3” 200 pound guard transfer out of Bradley
One of the top shooters available, a lot of Big Ten interest - https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/sta...95671290618128

[algotrader]

I wound like to be compensated for loosing players to the portal. We invested 3 years in Conner and if Indiana wanted him I feel that they owe us for our 3 year investment in him. Say it cost 20 thousand a year at Bradley (low) then Indiana would have to pay Bradley the 60 thousand we invested. Every player in the portal would have a price attached to them according to their years at that school. I know it’s a crazy idea but this is the times we live in.

It would end up being net zero in the end. Lets say we have a player leave for another school. That school compensates us for 3 years of development. But we still need another player! So we basically have two choices. Recruit an extra incoming freshman. Or recruit from the transfer portal. The issue with recruiting an additional incoming freshman is that incoming students from high school are typically recruited much earlier than April of their senior year. So either we're recruiting a player out of high school that is a Junior, leaving us a hole in the roster for an entire year. Or we're recruiting from an extremely tiny pool of senior high school students who have yet to commit. How many good or even decent players held off on committing until the April before they graduate high school one month later?

That leaves the transfer portal. If we recruit a player from the transfer portal, then we are also going to owe a fee to another school for the investment they made in developing this player. So if we get $60k from the school that took one of our players. We're probably going to end up paying $60k to the school where this player transfers in from.

In summary, you either take another kid from high school and leave a hole in the roster for a year. Or you take a kid from high school who is probably pretty bad and wasn't going to get any offers. Or the transfer portal is still utilized, money changes hands, but if the $60k you were paid goes to pay the school you're taking from, does it really matter?

As a bonus thought exercise, you could put the responsibility on the player. Sort of like how employers say they will pay for you to attend school but the tuition amount has to be reimbursed if you don't work X number of years. But then that also effectively is the same, because schools then offer to pay these debts for students as a part of their transfer and its the same thing but slightly different.

Extrapolating further, you may ask about non-competes so I will point out the fact that in Illinois, non-competes are unenforceable if they cause materially adverse harm upon the individual signing. So unless you have a seriously wealthy basketball player signing the non-compete. The non-compete is effectively worthless unless the University decides to pay this player directly so they meet the materially adverse claim in court.

[Da Coach]

Connor Hickman is visiting Indiana University on Sunday (4/14), and Cincinnati on Monday (4/15). - https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...t/73304082007/

[Da Coach]

Connor Hickman is visiting Indiana University on Sunday (4/14), and Cincinnati on Monday (4/15). - https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...t/73304082007/

Indiana receives a commitment from one of the top guards available in the transfer portal, Washington State guard Myles Rice. He is a redshirt freshman with 3 years of eligibility left. He averaged 14.8 ppg and 3.1 rpg this past season at Washington State. - https://twitter.com/ToddAaronGolden/...57993260855340

Could this affect Connor Hickman?

[tomahawk chop]

Indiana receives a commitment from one of the top guards available in the transfer portal, Washington State guard Myles Rice. He is a redshirt freshman with 3 years of eligibility left. He averaged 14.8 ppg and 3.1 rpg this past season at Washington State. - https://twitter.com/ToddAaronGolden/...57993260855340

Could this affect Connor Hickman?

Probably his playing time and Indiana is still recruiting more guards. The CINCY thing makes no sense if he expects to play much because of the roster they have coming back plus the ones they are still recruiting.I still believe this is where he fit in the best as far as starting and playing time.