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Originally posted by Da Coach
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The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies... - John Walter Wayland -
I do rely on the science, but unfortunately, much of what the government spokepeople told the public was not based on actual science.
If you want to discuss the science, I'll be glad to do that. Everything I said in my previous post is factual, and I posted links to verify.
If you believed everything the government agencies have told the public, then you have been misinformed. The CDC, and other federal agencies have issued numerous claims that turned out not to be true. They have admitted some of it, but much of it they would like us to forget.
Remember when we were told that if you get vaccinated you cannot get the disease?
The head of the CDC claimed “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.” That was never true.
Oh, and recall all the times we were told this was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" and that the "unvaccinated are spreading the disease". We know now that was never true. Most people getting Covid now, and for the last year and a half, are the vaccinated, and most people spreading it are the vaccinated. And now the majority of people dying are vaccinated, even when adjusted for the percentage of people vaccinated. Maybe others know vaccinated people, like I do, who have had Covid 2 or 3, times or more. We were told this wouldn't happen.
We were told that the vaccinated do not spread the virus. That was never backed up by any science and was not true.It was purely based on wishful thinking, not science.
And we know now that the many claims by Dr. Fauci and others that masks protected people from getting Covid and stopped people from spreading it were never true.
And we have been mislead about the number of deaths that were actually caused by the Covid virus-
But you won't see the government officials admitting much of these falsehoods. There were many other claims made that turned out to be false.
And we still have a lot to learn about the new technology of these MRNA vaccines that were rushed through testing in record time, and still have never been tested for long term side effects.
Yes, people should educate themselves. But don't just take the word of political leaders, and government spokespeople. Their track record is not exactly stellar. In fact, a lot of the misinformation and much of the fear-mongering came from people like Dr. Fauci, Dr. Wallensky, NIH head Francis Collins, and others in the government.Comment
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I have found over my long life that people will believe in the government if the government agrees with their personal opinions. At our age and and with an immune compromised wife, I will take all the steps we can to protect ourselves and others that we are around.Comment
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just my 2 cents- LOL, if people haven't learned by now, they never will. Reference the 50+ years of experience that exists with the flu vaccine.
Historically, for decades, right about HALF of adults get the yearly flu vaccine - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/c...2estimates.htm
and yet - HALF of all the cases proven to be flu, occurred in the VACCINATED people- so as many cases come from the VACCINATED group as from the unvaccinated group of people - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...91K16D20130221
and this has been shown year after year after year.... so draw your own conclusions. My conclusion is that these vaccines that are pushed and mandated are of very little value except to those who are the most vulnerable group (elderly, nursing home, immunocompromised), and those who choose a vaccine-free life and obtain natural immunity actually are, overall, healthier and live longer (which they won't tell you). It should be purely elective.
Lastly- the most exhaustive study ever on the effectiveness of the flu vaccines on the elderly (over 65)
ends up essentially apologizing that they really couldn't find much benefit at all! They grade the vaccine, based on dozens of studies and a huge mass of date - as just barely over 50% - meaning it's not much more of a benefit than not getting it at all.
So people oughta decide for themselves and remember how much money people like Fauci and those who preach about getting the shot actually make from the vaccine industry. Fauci alone made over $5 million just during the pandemic. It's pretty much like trusting a snake oil salesman to advise you whether to buy snake oil from him.
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Covid.
Started by stealing away a stellar NCAA run by Bradley, and never improved its image.Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.Comment
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That's a fact nobody can deny!Originally posted by Dub View PostCovid.
Started by stealing away a stellar NCAA run by Bradley, and never improved its image.Thinking is the hardest work, that is why so few people do it. -Henry Ford
Yeah...I've been in college for a while now and I'm pretty sure that awesomest is not a word. -Andrew E.Comment
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It is interested how the topic of "UNI gets bad news" has morphed into vaccine opinions. Today, few people reject the polio vaccine, but there was resistance to it when it was first made and there were serious problems in the manufacture. Science evolves over time. I trust most people of science over most people in politics.Comment
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Polio vaccine has been proven to work while the covid vaccine has notOriginally posted by molar50 View PostComment
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Yes, you are right. The polio vaccine was based on a long-proven type of vaccine technology using direct antigen (actual viral protein parts or inactivated viruses) to provoke an immune response that our immune systems are normally quite efficient at doing. It has lead to a near eradication of polio worldwide, which used to kill or paralyze as many as half a million people worldwide each year.Originally posted by Canton BU fan View Post
The new Covid vaccines use a completely new vaccine technology that delivers messenger RNA (a foreign protein similar to DNA) that enters our cells and programs our own DNA to create proteins that simulate parts of the Coronavirus. That in turn is designed to "trick" our bodies into producing antibodies against the virus.
No previous vaccines or other treatments have ever manipulated our cells' DNA like this before, and we have no long term studies to know if the manipulating of our DNA could lead to lasting effects in our immune system, or other long term side effects.
The Covid vaccines have been less effective than hoped mostly because the SARS-CoV-2 (the correct name for the Covid virus) continues to mutate quickly,
The influenza virus does something similar, which is why we need updated flu vaccines each year.Comment
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You are right about how challenging it is to make effective vaccines using RNA. Cold and flu viruses keep mutating, so it is not an easy task. But, maybe not in my lifetime, science will advance to the point to make it happen.Comment
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Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
Yes, you are right. The polio vaccine was based on a long-proven type of vaccine technology using direct antigen (actual viral protein parts or inactivated viruses) to provoke an immune response that our immune systems are normally quite efficient at doing. It has lead to a near eradication of polio worldwide, which used to kill or paralyze as many as half a million people worldwide each year.
Everyone got the polio vaccine when it came out so polio was stopped dead in its tracks. Because our country has become so fractured and everything politicized through social media the same national response (regretfully) did not happen with COVID. This enabled COVID to live on and mutate to the point that the initial vaccine became ineffective, which is why a new vaccine is being introduced now. Perhaps if everyone reacted as they did with polio we would not be having this discussion. Refusal to be vaccinated and where masks (among other things) at the outset ended up causing millions of Americans to needlessly die.
The new Covid vaccines use a completely new vaccine technology that delivers messenger RNA (a foreign protein similar to DNA) that enters our cells and programs our own DNA to create proteins that simulate parts of the Coronavirus. That in turn is designed to "trick" our bodies into producing antibodies against the virus.
No previous vaccines or other treatments have ever manipulated our cells' DNA like this before, and we have no long term studies to know if the manipulating of our DNA could lead to lasting effects in our immune system, or other long term side effects.
This "new" messenger RNA vaccine technology has been studied and developed for well over 30 years and has been proven safe, so stop spreading misinformation. Read and learn
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s12276-022-00757-5
The Covid vaccines have been less effective than hoped mostly because the SARS-CoV-2 (the correct name for the Covid virus) continues to mutate quickly,
The influenza virus does something similar, which is why we need updated flu vaccines each year.The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies... - John Walter WaylandComment
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other than Covid can you name a single "mRNA" vaccine that has ever been approved, released onto the market for use or tried in any other setting than extremely limited studies? (Answer- nope, there are none) And NEVER in history was an mRNA vaccine ever even tested on a human until 2013 - and even then only in extremely rare cases of rabies. And NONE were ever given to anyone under the age of 18 until just two years ago and none given to children under 12 until just one year ago.Originally posted by PhiAlphaBoy View Post
- so there's simply no way to make the claim they are safe if they've never been given to any significant sized group of people.
(recall the "swine flu vaccine" was declared safe but then resulted in over 100,000 cases of Guillian-Barre that paralyzed people and killed more than the swine flu itself ever killed. In retrospect the vaccine was NOT thoroughly tested before being approved and declared "safe". It was NOT safe nor would it ever be given again)
btw- some of the vaccines initially approved for children & deemed "safe", have now been removed from the approved list due to safety concerns!
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine isn't even available at all in the US (after previously being approved and deemed "safe")
and has been banned completely due to safety issues.
The Janssen vaccine which was initially approved was later banned from use in children due to thrombocytopenia - a serious, sometimes fatal, side effect. So some would say that they idea of proclaiming them "safe" with such little data is fraught with problems.
also- one suggestion - do not use "google" as your search engine when trying to find out about vaccines, especially issues, problems, side effects and failures. Google has been proven to be vigorously censoring certain results in favor of the vaccine industry and hiding reports of adverse effects.Comment
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The claim that mRNA vaccines have been around a long time and proven safe is not correct (see final paragraph).
First, the persistence of the coronavirus is not due to the "fractured" or politicized country. In fact, the US had one of the highest percentages of people who were vaccinated (over 70%), and yet had by far the most cases and the most deaths attributed to Covid. On the other end of the spectrum, Haiti did not vaccinate anyone, nobody wore masks, and there were no lockdowns, yet they have one of the lowest case rate and death rate in the world-
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/992544022/one-of-the-worlds-poorest-countries-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat#:~:text=Haiti%20has%20one%20of%20the,of%20just %2022%20per%20million.
Most African countries had extremely low numbers of their population vaccinated, and yet the pandemic barely affected those countries-
The reality is that the vaccines just were not very effective in provoking effective immunity or preventing the disease.
As was mentioned, for nearly the last 2 years, more cases of Covid have been in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated, even when adjusted for the percentages of people vaccinated. Natural immunity has proven to be a far better protection against the disease. Most of us probably know vaccinated individuals who have gotten Covid, 2, 3, or 4 times. Jill Biden and Whoopie Goldberg, who both just revealed they have Covid for the 3rd time, are just a couple examples of the innumerable cases of "breakthrough" Covid in fully vaccinated people. That happens rarely in those with natural immunity.
And yes, mRNA technology goes back decades. But what we are using today is quite new, and long term testing has yet to be done.
The very first time that mRNA vaccines were ever given to humans was in 2013, and they failed because the human body eliminated the "foreign" mRNA quickly, before it could produce an immune response. It was not until the introduction of nanoparticles with the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines that shielded and allowed the mRNA to successfully imbed into the human DNA. Those vaccines date back only 3 years. So this current mRNA vaccine technology that successfully imbeds mRNA into our cells and incorporates it into our DNA is very much new, and no long term testing has been done on humans.
We are the guinea pigs-
Role of nanotechnology behind the success of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19
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Can we get off this political crap. I see enough of this on TV. This is a sports forum for BradleyComment
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This happens when there isn't much Bradley basketball news to discuss.Comment
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