Transfer portal

[egib52]

United States Supreme Court member Brett Kavanaugh (June, 2021): “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principle of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law”. He went on to say, “ The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. The NCAA is suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenue for colleges every year”.

This opens up a whole different argument. Still today the NCAA doesn't pay the players, and the players aren't employees. NIL was essentially the compromise. The NCAA doesn't pay them, but they also don't prohibit them from marketing themselves. This is much different than the portal. I also would be interested to know from HOTB, what the average NIL is for a player. I think a lot of people are overestimating the money we are talking about. I would be interested in knowing what the rate is for a bench player at a P5. I follow the Illini and know they sell gear for the bench players, but I would be curious how much they end up getting.

[Wilbery]

That's the news! Celebrate... And hope there's no change of mind.

Well I’m glad the jersey I ordered with his number will be good for next year!

[Bball31]

I know there are no portal fans on this board. In fact there’s like 6 whole people in the world who like the portal, but the more I think about it: It’s not the young men’s fault the NCAA broke college bball with these major changes. The mobility and money leads to “self” over “team.” The “team” concept now means one stand-alone season at a time. The lack of returning casts and team identity will lead to a loss of fan interest and therefore money… you can all feel it sliding already (search your heart, my son)

I think the NCAA shot their foot off and don’t even know it yet… but as a wise man once said “don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Most work places, that pay wages/salaries have a “team” atmosphere, so the term “team” and paying people can coexist. CAT even has positions that are called “team leads”. In fact the NFL, NBA, MBL and NHL have survived under the priciple of paying athletes. The fact is the NCAA has gotten away with practices that are illegal in most business places. The only reason the NCAA caved and allowed athletes to be compensated is because they knew they would lose in court.

United States Supreme Court member Brett Kavanaugh (June, 2021): “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principle of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law”. He went on to say, “ The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. The NCAA is suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenue for colleges every year”.

[CalCriddle10]

I went and listened to this interview, and it is an interesting and debatable policy for sure. I understand the valuing of loyalty, and this might even be a way to keep kids from testing the portal at all, but I'm not sure I agree with is being comparable to a spouse relationship as Brian put it. Most people look for other jobs at some point in their lives, including Brian. Some of these kids come from tough backgrounds and don't have a lot of years to make nice money. All of us want the best situation for ourselves and our family, and yes things like happiness and "teammates" matter, but they are just some of the factors. The culture of valuing employee loyalty, including in sports, beyond all else is really just created to benefit the companies/teams by getting people to stay without having to fight for them as much. Most all of us want the most money/benefits for our families that we can get, with all factors like happiness, job security, feeling valued in the past, and people around you playing a role as well. Someone brought up the example of coaches versus players on here too in terms of who is expected to show more loyalty. You could argue the pendulum has swung too far the other way in a me first culture too I suppose. However, I hate making generational statements on entire groups of people. There are a lot of good and bad trends that come with each new generation, but each person is an individual, and each circumstance is unique. I want all great Bradley players to stay because I want Bradley to be great, but I can't fault them for making the a decision they think will be better for themselves under the current system. I do think sometimes those decisions are misguided, but that is a different story.

We also have taken advantage of the portal a couple times now too. Like most things, I think a blanket policy can be well intentioned, but leave no wiggle room for unusual circumstances. I don't think Rienk's circumstance is the same as other people that look to come and go every year, like a Sean East for example. Now it seems like there is no way Rienk is coming back anyway, but to shut the door on it if he wanted it seems shortsighted to me. Now maybe knowing there is no way Rienk comes back anyway, Brian might as well stick to this blanket policy in public for the sake of the players he currently has. Overall, I generally, mostly, agree with the way Brian manages players and coaches in terms of the types of people he brings in, but on this one I'm not sure I agree 100%. I still generally agree with the sentiment, but maybe not the blanket policy. But he gets paid to make those decisions of course.

Well stated

[BUfan14]

BW said as much today on Greg & Dan--no turning back for Rienk (not that he would want to).

I went and listened to this interview, and it is an interesting and debatable policy for sure. I understand the valuing of loyalty, and this might even be a way to keep kids from testing the portal at all, but I'm not sure I agree with is being comparable to a spouse relationship as Brian put it. Most people look for other jobs at some point in their lives, including Brian. Some of these kids come from tough backgrounds and don't have a lot of years to make nice money. All of us want the best situation for ourselves and our family, and yes things like happiness and "teammates" matter, but they are just some of the factors. The culture of valuing employee loyalty, including in sports, beyond all else is really just created to benefit the companies/teams by getting people to stay without having to fight for them as much. Most all of us want the most money/benefits for our families that we can get, with all factors like happiness, job security, feeling valued in the past, and people around you playing a role as well. Someone brought up the example of coaches versus players on here too in terms of who is expected to show more loyalty. You could argue the pendulum has swung too far the other way in a me first culture too I suppose. However, I hate making generational statements on entire groups of people. There are a lot of good and bad trends that come with each new generation, but each person is an individual, and each circumstance is unique. I want all great Bradley players to stay because I want Bradley to be great, but I can't fault them for making the a decision they think will be better for themselves under the current system. I do think sometimes those decisions are misguided, but that is a different story.

We also have taken advantage of the portal a couple times now too. Like most things, I think a blanket policy can be well intentioned, but leave no wiggle room for unusual circumstances. I don't think Rienk's circumstance is the same as other people that look to come and go every year, like a Sean East for example. Now it seems like there is no way Rienk is coming back anyway, but to shut the door on it if he wanted it seems shortsighted to me. Now maybe knowing there is no way Rienk comes back anyway, Brian might as well stick to this blanket policy in public for the sake of the players he currently has. Overall, I generally, mostly, agree with the way Brian manages players and coaches in terms of the types of people he brings in, but on this one I'm not sure I agree 100%. I still generally agree with the sentiment, but maybe not the blanket policy. But he gets paid to make those decisions of course.

[egib52]

I know there are no portal fans on this board. In fact there’s like 6 whole people in the world who like the portal, but the more I think about it: It’s not the young men’s fault the NCAA broke college bball with these major changes. The mobility and money leads to “self” over “team.” The “team” concept now means one stand-alone season at a time. The lack of returning casts and team identity will lead to a loss of fan interest and therefore money… you can all feel it sliding already (search your heart, my son)

I think the NCAA shot their foot off and don’t even know it yet… but as a wise man once said “don’t hate the player, hate the game.

The NCAA corrupted college sports decades ago when it became more about money than student athletes. It was just a matter of time until we got here. Imagine if $ never became the controlling factor, but instead academics and school loyalty.

[bradleyfan124]

I know there are no portal fans on this board. In fact there’s like 6 whole people in the world who like the portal, but the more I think about it: It’s not the young men’s fault the NCAA broke college bball with these major changes. The mobility and money leads to “self” over “team.” The “team” concept now means one stand-alone season at a time. The lack of returning casts and team identity will lead to a loss of fan interest and therefore money… you can all feel it sliding already (search your heart, my son)

I think the NCAA shot their foot off and don’t even know it yet… but as a wise man once said “don’t hate the player, hate the game.

It's a bit more than that. It is this generation...the ME generation

[Dub]

I know there are no portal fans on this board. In fact there’s like 6 whole people in the world who like the portal, but the more I think about it: It’s not the young men’s fault the NCAA broke college bball with these major changes. The mobility and money leads to “self” over “team.” The “team” concept now means one stand-alone season at a time. The lack of returning casts and team identity will lead to a loss of fan interest and therefore money… you can all feel it sliding already (search your heart, my son)

I think the NCAA shot their foot off and don’t even know it yet… but as a wise man once said “don’t hate the player, hate the game.

[Da Coach]

Coach - any idea if Agiste is going to be in the mix next year?

[bradleyfan124]

I agree 124. If Burch can pick up the scoring we lost with Rienk leaving and Jonovic can stay out of foul trouble, I like our chances. Would be nice if we could add another big.

Coach - any idea if Agiste is going to be in the mix next year?

Agiste had some very good stats in high school last year. He was double figures in points and rebounds against Proviso West I believe, a perennial high school power. However he is skinny as hell...no meat on him

[Tommy]

If Bradley can get their core of players back this year and add some players to help in certain spots Bradley will be the favorite next year with UNI second. Bradley players have proven to be winners and will be experienced. Having said that I think UNI is going to be very good and hard to beat

I agree 124. If Burch can pick up the scoring we lost with Rienk leaving and Jonovic can stay out of foul trouble, I like our chances. Would be nice if we could add another big.

Coach - any idea if Agiste is going to be in the mix next year?

[bradleyfan124]

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see UNI getting picked above SIU, Indiana State, or maybe even Bradley next year.
UNI wasn't good this year. They finished 14-18 on the season, and 9-11 in the MVC, 7 games behind Bradley. Their home MVC record was 4-6, and overall home record just 8-8. They wore down due to lack of depth and lost 8 of their last 9 regular season games.
Other than getting Nate Heise back from injury, a decent recruiting class, and getting a transfer from Loyola who averaged 1.8 ppg, I don't see enough improvement to jump over the 7 teams ahead of them.
A lot depends on what players return for another year, plus the new additions off the portal. If the seniors on SIU and Indiana State return for their extra Covid year, they will be very tough.

If Bradley can get their core of players back this year and add some players to help in certain spots Bradley will be the favorite next year with UNI second. Bradley players have proven to be winners and will be experienced. Having said that I think UNI is going to be very good and hard to beat

[Da Coach]

As it stands, and additions could change everything, but I think UNI is the preseason favorite right now.

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see UNI getting picked above SIU, Indiana State, or maybe even Bradley next year.
UNI wasn't good this year. They finished 14-18 on the season, and 9-11 in the MVC, 7 games behind Bradley. Their home MVC record was 4-6, and overall home record just 8-8. They wore down due to lack of depth and lost 8 of their last 9 regular season games.
Other than getting Nate Heise back from injury, a decent recruiting class, and getting a transfer from Loyola who averaged 1.8 ppg, I don't see enough improvement to jump over the 7 teams ahead of them.
A lot depends on what players return for another year, plus the new additions off the portal. If the seniors on SIU and Indiana State return for their extra Covid year, they will be very tough.

[MidMajorFan11]

I understand the sentiment Brian feels there, but every circumstance is so different. Are you telling me if Rienk has second thoughts and comes back he would say no? Rienk is not a guy who came for a year and left. He stayed four years, graduated, and is exploring his options.

Also, I'm glad Malevy is coming back. I don't fault any of these players for using the current system to their advantage, but I would have faulted him for making a big announcement he is coming back and then changing his mind. Especially given the publicity and positive attention he got for making such an announcement, which he didn't have to make. As long as Hick, Zek, Leons, and Jonovic/Hannah come back I really think our floor is pretty good. Still have some big needs including point guard, shooters, and an athletic big that can bang down low. But we should be at least competitive with that core coming back.

We have two open scholarships now with Rienk and Ville leaving, and I have to imagine we will have at least one or two more. That would be enough to get those three needs I mentioned (probably need 3-4 players to fill those needs).

BW said as much today on Greg & Dan--no turning back for Rienk (not that he would want to).

[CalCriddle10]

This is not about what is "fair", if that's your point.
The head coach makes the rules, and the players follow them or are free to leave. I think most other D1 teams are the same. And, I think most ADs and most fans appreciate a coach like that.

So more of a “Do as I say not as I do” approach. I think that type of treatment for athletes is what ultimately got us to the NIL/portal situation we have now in college sports. I do not disagree that once a player enters the portal - he has made his choice. Just wonder why we cut coaches so much slack when they can pick up and leave at any time and leave a program devastated. Just my opinion