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How many more can Loyola lose before their at-large chances go away? They are a good team but I don't see them making it through the rest of the valley season without another loss or two. I would love for a 2 bid Valley again but it might not happen this year, next year will be exciting though.
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Originally posted by BUfan17 View PostHow many more can Loyola lose before their at-large chances go away? They are a good team but I don't see them making it through the rest of the valley season without another loss or two. I would love for a 2 bid Valley again but it might not happen this year, next year will be exciting though.
As far as the 2 bids, I'd be very surprised if we had 2 this year, but adding Belmont and Murray St. should make that a lot more likely in the future. Let's hope adding those teams ups our game. It's going to be fun having some new destinations for road trips!Larry Bird
I've got a theory that if you give 100 percent all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end.
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Updated RPI and NET rankings-
Bradley's RPI improved from 175 to 160 after last night's win-
Bradley has moved up to #94 in the NET; only 2 MVC teams are higher- Loyola #30, and Missouri State #64-
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketba...issouri-Valley
And KenPom has Bradley ranked #85, higher than all but 2 MVC teams- Loyola is #33, Missouri State #57, UNI #93, Drake #94 -
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Originally posted by BUfan17 View PostHow many more can Loyola lose before their at-large chances go away? They are a good team but I don't see them making it through the rest of the valley season without another loss or two. I would love for a 2 bid Valley again but it might not happen this year, next year will be exciting though.
and their remaining schedule is very tough. A couple of their guys are playing heavy minutes down the stretch,
and it shows - in their last 7 games (they are 4-3) they are only averaging 64 ppg (compared to over 75 ppg before that)
and their shooting has dropped off. (43.9% compared to 50% before the last 7 games)
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Originally posted by Tommy View Post
Agree with you here about Loyola. Still think Drake is the team to beat in the Valley (or us if we keep this train rolling).
As far as the 2 bids, I'd be very surprised if we had 2 this year, but adding Belmont and Murray St. should make that a lot more likely in the future. Let's hope adding those teams ups our game. It's going to be fun having some new destinations for road trips!
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Originally posted by Go_Braves View Post
Personally - I Do NOT want Loyola to win the MVC Tournament. I want Loyola to remember that the MVC Conference is an awesome mid-Major conference that they did NOT conquer. "Hey Loyola - Don't Let the Door Hit You on Your Way Out".Larry Bird
I've got a theory that if you give 100 percent all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end.
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Originally posted by BUfan17 View PostHow many more can Loyola lose before their at-large chances go away? They are a good team but I don't see them making it through the rest of the valley season without another loss or two. I would love for a 2 bid Valley again but it might not happen this year, next year will be exciting though.
In the 3 seasons that the NET has been used so far, the lowest rated team in the NET to get an at-large bid was 73. Last season, Michigan State got an at-large bid with an NET of 70. Yes, the selection committee is more likely to favor the schools from the top 5 or 6 conferences, and no doubt an MVC team with a NET of 70 wouldn't an at-large bid.
But, Loyola's NET, despite some recent losses, is still at 30. I think if they can stay around 30, or maybe in the 30's, they still have a strong chance at getting an at-large bid.
This year, there is reason for optimism about at-large bids for mid-majors. Several of the Power 5 or 6 conferences appear to have fewer teams that are certain candidates for at-large bids than in recent seasons.
Example- Look at the ACC standings and NET rank-
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketba...conference/ACC
Last year, the ACC got 7 NCAA bids. This year, there is only 1 ranked team (Duke), and only 2 teams that look like they will end up with fewer than double-digit losses (Duke and Wake Forest). Duke's NET (11) is the only ACC team with a better NET than Loyola (30). The 1st place team in the ACC, Notre Dame, has a NET of 63! Wake Forest, tied with Duke for 2nd place, has a NET of 32. And only 4 teams have fewer than 10 losses and an RPI under 70.
Perennial NCAA teams like Virginia, Louisville, and Syracuse have little chance of an at-large. Even North Carolina picked by some to win the ACC, could be left out.
The PAC-12 is similar. There are only 3 teams right now that are locks. Last year, they got 5 bids.
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketba...ference/Pac-12
The Big 12- last year got 7 bids, this year they could get as few as 5 (let's hope)-
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketba...ference/Big-12
And even some non-power 5 conferences, that usually get multiple bids, don't have a lot of strong at-large candidates.
The American Athletic Conference has only 1 team with an NET in the top 50 (Houston at 3)
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketba...rican-Athletic
So there's hope for a multiple bid year for the MVC, but knowing the NCAA selection people, I wouldn't bank on it yet.
The NCAA has a long history of twisting and ignoring their own rules every year to make sure their buddies at the big schools get more than their share of at-large bids. And a history of screwing mid-majors every year like the MVC teams. Recall that when the RPI was the main selection criterion, the best RPI team ever to be excluded from an at-large bid was Barry Hinson's Missouri State team with an RPI of 21 in 2006, while Air Force got a bid despite an RPI of 50!. And no Power 6 conference team with an RPI of 40 or better was ever excluded. There have been many major conference teams with RPI's as bad as in the 60's that got at-large bids.
And as recently as 2017, Illinois State was screwed out of an at-large bid despite finishing the MVC regular season with a 17-1 record and a tie for the MVC regular season championship, losing in the MVCT championship game, finishing 28-7 overall, and an excellent RPI of 33.
Bradley was snubbed in 2007 with 20 wins and an RPI of 38, while Stanford got a bid that year with an RPI of 63!
So the bottom line is the NCAA will screw the MVC if they can.
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